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My sister financially benefitting from our parents AGAIN.

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QueenofmyPrinces · 26/11/2018 08:40

There are 13 months between me and my sister so we were very close growing up together and we are still close now, I love her and she’s one of my favourite people to be around.

Growing up we were very different, I was the typical ‘good sensible girl’ whereas she was more the type who took each day as it came and having fun was her main focus. At the time, I was envious of her character and spirit and wished I was more like her.

I did well at school, went to college, then university and have a professional job, whereas she didn’t really try at school, dropped out of two college courses and eventually ended up in a job that our neighbour found for her.

Fast forward to now: we’re in our late 30s and still very close. We both have two children although she is no longer with the father as he turned out to be a complete shit. He’s active in the children’s lives though and he provides well for them financially and helps my sister out too in ways he isn’t obliged to. I don’t particularly like the man but I can’t criticise him for the way he still provides for the children and the things he does to help my sister.

In our teenage years and through our 20’s my sister was frequently financially helped out by our parents because “she didn’t have a well paying job” and they paid out a lot for her. They paid for things to be done around her house (luxuries as opposed to necessities), paid her phone bills and store cards, paid for things for the children and paid for her driving lessons too when she was in her mid 20’s.

At the same time as they were paying for her driving lessons I was having to pay for my own lessons even though I was a student and they were charging me rent, compared to her being in full time employment and not even living in the family home anymore.

I could list lots of ways my sister has financially benefited from our parents over the last 10-15 years and although there has always been potential for resentment because of how differently we were treated I never felt it, or if I did I have no recollection of it and it didn’t impact on my relationship with my sister.

Fast forward to the last 12 months or so and my sister started going out with her friends a lot more, going out frequently for meals and drinks, going away for weekends, having new clothes etc and at the time I thought nothing of it. I was just glad to see her enjoying herself now her children are older (10 and 14) and that she was getting her life back as it were.

Recently me and DH have put ourselves out quite significantly in terms of finances in order to do something to benefit her children in order to allow them to experience something they’d never be able to if me and DH didn’t pay for it. Initially we had spoken about her paying 10% of the cost but after thinking about it I told my sister that no financial contribution was necessary as I was happy to treat my nieces and that I knew every pound counts to her and that even a small contribution would be difficult for her. She said thanks, she appreciated it and that was the end of the discussion.

Anyhow - I found out a few days ago that for the last 12 months my parents have been giving her £200 every month “just in case she needs it” and it’s actually really pissed me off. Our parents are divorced and they each give her £100.

I now feel a little put out that she so readily accepted our offer not to contribute to what we are doing for her children (which is costing us nearly £1k) when she’s getting £200 each month from our parents that she doesn’t actually need.

They (particularly my mom) also give her children money quite frequently whereas mine don’t get anything.

Inside I feel like the “special treatment” of her is still going on after all these years and I think that throughout her life it’s paid off that she didn’t get a good job because my parents have paid out so much for her and still do. I’m also in disbelief that at our age she is still taking money from our parents because as adults shouldn’t we be taking responsibility for ourselves?

I haven’t told my sister that I know about our parents giving her money each month and my parents don’t know that I know either. I won’t say anything to either of them though because it won’t serve any purpose. I only found out due my mom’s brother accidentally letting it slip when he asked me how I was spending my £200 each month as he had assumed my parents were doing it for both of us.

Im just venting. I know it’s my parents choice how they spend their money but after watching them pay out for so much for her over the last two decades this has been a bit of a blow to know they’re still doing it.

I was talking to DH about it and in my frustration I said that I wished I’d made her life choices instead of my own as maybe then my parents would have paid my way in life too and funded my lifestyle choices. I didn’t mean it, I just said it in frustration. I don’t want money from my parents, I wouldn’t accept it if they offered, but I feel a bit hurt that again my sister is getting money from them for no real reason whereas their generosity wasn’t even offered to me.

AIBU to feel a bit pissed off? Has anyone else been in a similar position and found ways to deal with it?

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Namechange8471 · 27/11/2018 11:34

I'd have it all out with them.

Then go low contact, get on with your won life, they clearly don't appreciate you at all!

aaaaargghhhhelpme · 27/11/2018 11:36

Are you going to ask your sister for some money to cover the holiday?

Or will she get away with it? Again.

QueenofmyPrinces · 27/11/2018 11:36

My children are 4 and 14 months old.

I do wonder whether any kind of preferential treatment between the grandchildren is going to take place but hopefully not. I’m hoping the big age gap between mine and my sister’s will prevent that from happening.

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QueenofmyPrinces · 27/11/2018 11:38

Are you going to ask your sister for some money to cover the holiday?

Hell yes!!

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coconutpie · 27/11/2018 11:40

Out of principle, I would not take the nieces on holiday if she refuses to pay for them. Even if it meant losing out on £1,000. You need to take a stand now otherwise nothing will change.

aaaaargghhhhelpme · 27/11/2018 11:44

That’s the spirit getting money off your sister.

But there’s already preferential treatment between the children. You said the nieces get presents when yours don’t. They get grandparent time when yours don’t. Honestly I could not stand by and this carry on into another generation.

TBDO · 27/11/2018 11:45

I’d still take your nieces on holiday. If you take that say now, you’ll be perceived as petty and throwing a tantrum, playing exactly into the ‘she’s just jealous’ mindset your parents and sister have.

You can’t change the past, but you can change how you react in the future. Now you know your sister has the income to choose what she does, you don’t need to offer her help (for her or your nieces).

Watch out for how your parents treat your DC in future. It’s fair enough to point out where there is inequality - eg if the nieces get much better presents. Or you could be strategic about it- when your own DC get to your nieces ages when they’ve had fantastic gifts (eg driving lessons) from the grandparents, say things like ‘oh DC1 is so looking forward to granny and grandpa getting them xyz. Just like you did for dneice, the dgc are so lucky to have kind grandparents like you, etc etc’. Act as if it’s a given that your DC will be treated the same.

MumW · 27/11/2018 11:46

I would be tempted to let your sister know that you've found out about the £200 a month so realise that when you offered to pay the full amount you thought she was suriving on a lot less. In view of this (and some invented unexpected outgoing) you are going to have to ask her for a contribution.

Or tell your mum you need financial help to take DNs away and you know that they've been supporting DSis so could they help.

Unicornandbows · 27/11/2018 11:51

Op I would take a step back and withdraw a little to give them time to think about the situation. Seems to me that your mother is or may be thinking about the situation deeper but you need to step back and withdraw contact to allow them to think about this.

QueenofmyPrinces · 27/11/2018 11:52

TBF - my children see our parents much more than my sister’s children see them. My 4 year old has sleepovers with them quite often and I’m frequently visiting them with the 1 year old when the 4 year old is at school. Between my nieces seeing their dad on their contact days/nights and them having their own lives with their friends they don’t really see my parents that often.

My parents give them money for good reports and test results etc but in terms of contact time, my children definitely have more.

As of yet there has been nothing that has made me feel her children are valued or preferred over my own.

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TBDO · 27/11/2018 11:53

If OP asks for any contribution to the holiday, now that she’s paid for it AND told the children about it, she’ll be painted as jealous and petty and unreasonable.

We all know she’s not. But this holiday thing isn’t the one to make a stand over as it was a done deal. OP needs to work on herself and getting out of FOG and focusing on her own DC in future.

Unicornandbows · 27/11/2018 11:55

Also I hope that your parents don't treat your children differently as that would be a final straw for me. It's one thing not supporting you but your children is a different story.

My grandma did this with us and we felt a little bit put out like she didn't love us more than my cousins

Seaweed42 · 27/11/2018 11:58

It's very difficult for you. You are now seeing clearly the difference in how your parents treat both of you. Your sister sees herself as a 'victim' of life and therefore worthy of everyone's help, financial or otherwise. Giving her financial support enables her and maintains the cycle.
Now that you know better, you can do better. And not give her money.
For you it feels like your parents gave you less, ignore you more, interact with you less. Now you are noticing, it hurts!
So maintain a pleasant relationship with your sister, but try to balance up the financial side. Say you had no idea this other money was there, and you'd love to take the kids on holiday maybe she can give some spending money.
You'll see your sister flicking into little girl crying 'I'm the one everyone needs to feel sorry for' mode if anyone gets cross with her. You've all been trained to do the eggshell walk around her for fear of hurting her 'feelings'.
The fact remains that you offered to take her kids on holidays with no strings attached. You had strings but your sister genuinely thought you could afford it and had plenty of money to do it. Your sister didn't know that you were doing it out of a sense of guilt for her being worse off than you. If you could explain your true feelings about that, it might make more sense to her and preserve the relationship rather than just having a Huff over it.

QueenofmyPrinces · 27/11/2018 12:11

I think part of me has always felt guilty about how our parents viewed me compared to how they viewed her in terms of achievements because they were always vocal about it, my sister always knew how proud they were of me because they were always saying it and telling others, whereas they never said anything particularly positive about her. She was frequently on the receiving end of “why can’t you be more like Queen?” when we were growing up.

I always gone above and beyond for her in numerous scenarios and bit my tongue about the unequal treatment we’ve had purely because I don’t want her to have reason to hate me or resent me. I want to show her that despite my parents putting me on some kind of pedestal I am actually still nice and not someone for her to dislike or be resentful towards.

It’s always been important to me that she knows I’m on her side and that I have never felt I’m better than her, regardless of how our parents portrayed me that way.

Does that makes sense?

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Didiusfalco · 27/11/2018 12:14

Op, you need to spell it out:

‘I have been working overtime to afford to take your children on holiday, while you have been taking handouts from our parents. This is why I am pissed off’

NoIsACompleteAnswerSometimes · 27/11/2018 12:18

Been there, done that. Similar ish situation in my life, gross unfairness when one of my parents died in regards to their will and how things were divided up. I'm not going to bore you with the details (God knows i've railed about it enough over the years to friends and my other sibling!) but I agree, it's not the money aspect, it's how your feelings of being " not the golden child/ favourite" are being vindicated, although the parents have been denying it all your life. There's also the help over the years with GC's washing, ironing, gardening and yes, driving lessons and cars!
In the case of the will, things have been "put right", but the feelings of being not good enough, why didn't they love me as much, was I such a horrid person etc etc still stings. I can't get an answer from the remaining parent as to why they thought it was a good idea either, so I'll never get closure for that.
Before anyone says it's their choice to leave their money how they like, I get that but that isn't the point, it's comments they made in their will, (and anyone could read that), that makes Golden child look amazing, and my siblings and I don't get a look in, and I personally did a lot for them.
Anyway, my remaining parent has been unwell, had to have a big operation recently and needed help with shopping etc before and after. Guess who's not doing it? GC isn't doing much (very busy!) and my other sibling is more generous than me, so they and their children are doing a lot for them. Best of ducking luck, don't look at me cos I'm not doing it.

Amazonian27 · 27/11/2018 12:18

Yes queen my sister was treat in exactly the same way I was the studious one who worked hard at school and got got reports. She was the ‘fun one’ who could never get her act together and still hasn’t.
What is FOG?

montenuit · 27/11/2018 12:23

Seriously NO ONE ASKED YOU to take her children on holiday !!

You're the mug for working overtime to pay for them. Have a good think why you did that? It doesn't sound like they are deprived. Why did you feel you had to do that? Your sister isn't coming, she won't get to join in the fun / see her children have this experience you talk about.

You keep going on about the holiday but the point is you feel your parents haven't helped you out when you needed it over the years but they helped your sister and are still helping her when you feel she doesn't even need it.

How about focusing on that?

Silkie2 · 27/11/2018 12:27

Is there a feckless sibling in DMs family. These things can carry over from previous generations. If it is the case st least you can feel reassured it is not you or DSis causing this but stems from family history.

QueenofmyPrinces · 27/11/2018 13:03

You're the mug for working overtime to pay for them. Have a good think why you did that? It doesn't sound like they are deprived. Why did you feel you had to do that? Your sister isn't coming, she won't get to join in the fun / see her children have this experience you talk about.

I did it to do something nice for them - that’s all. I don’t know why it’s being turned into some kind of conspiracy? They’ve never been abroad and I just want them to have the experience of going on an airplane, seeing another country, enjoying a beach holiday etc - that’s all. I realise beach holidays abroad are not a necessity but it’s still something I wanted to do for them. The children aren’t deprived at all but that doesn’t mean I can’t do nice things for them. They’re my nieces, I love them, I enjoy spending time with them, they’re great with my four year old (he adores them) and I just thought it would be really nice to go on holiday together.

When I first broached the idea with my sister I asked if she would be able to save ‘x’ amount of money a month in order to pay a small share towards the cost and if so then we would take her daughters with us. She said yes but a few weeks later I felt guilty about asking her for any money as I believed she was struggling for cash and so I visited her and told her not to worry about the payments as I knew every pound of her income mattered to her and so DH and I would fund the entire cost of taking my nieces. My sister said thanks, she appreciated it and that was the end of the discussion.

If I knew she was getting £200 a month off our parents then I wouldn’t have changed the plan. I’m hurt that she let me take over her contribution costs despite getting getting money from our parents and knowing that I was clueless about it.

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aaaaargghhhhelpme · 27/11/2018 13:10

Of course you’re hurt. She used you. Like she’s used her parents.

Sister or not this is a very one sided relationship.

But to be honest I think we’re all going round in circles. I don’t think you’re really listening. You’re not ready as you’re still wrapped up in FOG.

Graphista · 27/11/2018 13:10

Re the toxicity being visited on the grandchildren

In my experience it is. Mine and bro's children are much older than than my sisters and were treated well - until sis had DC, then they were all but forgotten.

My mum sees my sis's dc almost daily I can't remember the last time she saw dd and I know it's over a year since she saw Dbros DC. Bro takes a pragmatic view and sees no point raising it as nothing will ever change. He's probably right. I try to bite my tongue but don't always succeed.

Eg dd is turning 18 soon and yet she's planned little to mark it yet. But when sis's DC turned 10 she went all out!

Dd notices and is really hurt. Wish I could protect her from it but the only way to do that would've been no relationship with mum at all which would be a shame as they do have a lovely time sometimes. It's difficult to know what to do for the best.

fuzzywuzzy · 27/11/2018 13:48

Your sister can afford to take her children away to overseas beach holidays.

She chooses not to.

You can’t afford to take her children away and have no obligation to however you choose to work overtime taking away time from your children and family to pay for your nieces holiday.

If you don’t think that’s actually colluding with your parents and letting your sister take advantage then really nobody can make you see why they in your position would not do it. And you are being pretty much stepping in where your parents have left off.

And the children will notice they’re being treated differently.

My sisters children were the favoured ones. I actually do love my nieces and nephews but for the sake of my own children who are my responsibility and main priority. I had to go no contact. I am not bringing my dc up to think they’re less important or playing second fiddle to their cousins.

QueenofmyPrinces · 27/11/2018 14:28

You can’t afford to take her children away and have no obligation to however you choose to work overtime taking away time from your children and family to pay for your nieces holiday.

It’s already paid for, we have already afforded it.

I worked four extra shifts over the course of 5 weeks so it wasn’t like I was away from children day after day, week after week in order to pay for my nieces to join us.

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aaaaargghhhhelpme · 27/11/2018 14:35

Well I’m glad your sister has you to fall back on when your parents can’t pay out any more.

Did you read up on fog?

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