The sex robots are coming

[hamblehumpty]

Just watched this - anyone else? Couldn't believe what I was watching - total vilification of women, objectification - and in the main sad old perverts who can only 'score' with a plastic object - disgusted. But frightening really as it's happening.

Apology accepted - yes, we are in agreement there.

Other ppl can verbalize the link between the rise in porn/sex work and the rise in associated negative issues in society (increased porn expectations of young ppl IRL, an actual rise in assault and abuse when ppls perceptions of what is normal changes due to increased exposure etc). I think you are right in that the difference of opinion is whether deeply unpleasant private behaviour should be banned. I certainly believe it shouldn't be enabled.
And I believe a submissive, thoroughly life like sex robot with a frigid setting is only encouraging some ppl to normalize deeply unpleasant behaviour, which could spill out into other non private situations, such as expectations of their partners.

Personally, I object to pornography a lot more because an actual person is potentially being directly exploited in its production. In my opinion, a detached visual fantasy has more potential to create unrealistic expectations because of the lack of impositions created by physical acts.

In any case, this is a rather interesting (though also somewhat disturbing) study which benefits from the more recent development of India in exploring the influence of pornography on real world sexual violence:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4031582/

Re the frigid setting/rape simulation etc, can I ask about the thousands of happily married/partnered couples who act out rape fantasy scenarios for their own mutual pleasure? Should this be "banned" for fear that the male may be encouraged to actually rape his partner or other women?

And if not (assuming it's none of my business what other folk get up to in private), why can 2 people do it but not one person and a doll?

This "outrage" seems to be based on what it might lead to, not what it actually is. I assume no one really cares what a bloke does with a doll providing it stays at just him and a doll.

Any bloke can shag his car exhaust pipe for all I care. So long as it's in the privacy of his own garage. None of my business.

Re the frigid setting/rape simulation etc, can I ask about the thousands of happily married/partnered couples who act out rape fantasy scenarios for their own mutual pleasure?

Because it actually is consensual in that case, and not an actual real forced situation?

Because it actually is consensual in that case, and not an actual real forced situation?

So you're concerned that the man doesn't get consent from his doll??

The concern expessed is that man simulating rape with a doll (because you can't really rape a doll, can you) will then go on to rape for real. So does a man simulating rape with his consenting partner go on to rape for real? And if the pretend doll rapist does, why not the pretend partner rapist?

Craft, in my mind, it's a whole different attitude the person would have towards the partner. The attitude and reasons for true non consensual sex are very different from role playing it with consent. I'm not pretending to be an expert, that's just my considered opinion. Otherwise, why would men rape, if they could act it out in a consensual environment? Completely different mindset.

*ClaryFray Wed 21-Nov-18 18:38:32
I give up.

It's a robot. Christ sake. There not being creeps to women. Why do we feel the need to judge what a person does in the privacy of their own home? It's not illegal. I see no issue.
Are you for real?? the 'men' who partake in this are freaks - scum - whatever negative I could call them. They view women as objects - and FO with the privacy in their own home - I see o issue - contributes to sexual abuse - after all, never judge what someone does in their own home - ffs

Craft, in my mind, it's a whole different attitude the person would have towards the partner. The attitude and reasons for true non consensual sex are very different from role playing it with consent. I'm not pretending to be an expert, that's just my considered opinion. Otherwise, why would men rape, if they could act it out in a consensual environment? Completely different mindset.

I'm really struggling to be remotely concerned about blokes buying sex robots. Most people agree that a happy couple acting out a rape fantasy in their own home, in no one's business but their own. But a bloke buys a doll and acts out a rape fantasy, suddenly that becomes the step before actually raping someone.

Is there actually a scrap of evidence for this belief, or is it just a "feeling" people have?

There doesn't have to be a scrap of evidence. I'm not arguing about it with you. It is my opinion that a man who acts out consensual 'rape' with his partner has a very different mindset to a man who rapes an unwilling partner. The second situation is being enabled and encouraged by providing a life like robot with a frigid setting. I do not believe that mindset should be enabled or encouraged because as pp have said, repeated exposure leads to normalisation. And that's not good under any circumstances.

I agree it's worrying in the current cultural context, where everything seems to be moving back to a situation where male whims are dominant and women must accede or be deemed, horror of horrors, "not nice". It is telling that these robots are taking this same old dominant male fantasy form.

Of course someone who plays at rape with a willing partner has a different mindset from a real rapist.

But to say a real rapist is encouraged by providing a lifelike robot to rape.....that's the bit I think we need some evidence for. Seems like a real leap to me.

But to say a real rapist is encouraged by providing a lifelike robot to rape.....that's the bit I think we need some evidence for. Seems like a real leap to me.
As pp have already said, easy and available sex workers and porn have led to increased incidents. It's not a great leap to see how encouraging non consensual 'rape' could have similar effects.
And you want to wait and see numbers of rapes go up before thinking a 'rape me' robot could possibly be a bad idea? Good thinking...

If you want to ban what sexual activity grown adults get up to in their own homes, with other consenting adults or with inanimate objects, you need evidence. Not an opinion or a feeling or a hunch.

Why do you think a ban would do anything at all? 'Coz it worked so well with drugs....
The EU recently attempted to sign some sort of ban on designing AI derived robot soldiers. Which means said technology will be developed at will in other nations....until they invade us. The same is true for sex robots - they are here now, the tech will become easier and cheaper because it's derived from worthy developments (like AI careers for less abled or elderly people). They are not going anywhere.

Returning to the OP from another direction; it's the same old tired debate about what causes unwanted behaviour. We're told TV and films cause violenet behaviour. We're told porn causes rape. We're told fashion causes anorexia. And all of these rely upon the thing (sex robots, porn, movies) as being the 'new thing' that twists behaviour. Thing is, none of this is new. Evidence? Read the bible. Duteronomy 22:28-29 - explains how a man can meet and rape a virgin, so long as he has 20 silver sheckles to pay her father. She is then married to him and may not divorce. There you go, divine permission to rape away. But you think some guy who added a voicebox and more realistic feel to his blow-up-Betty is the problem?

There has been rape porn for ages. There is a lot of rape-based fantasy literature for women. Did this lead to a massive rise in women offering themselves up for rape (if that's not too oxymoronic). A lot of porn is based upon multiple partners; are we all swinging away every chance we get. No. Because (despite the views of many on this thread) even men (yes, those brainless penis driven halfwits) can tell the difference between human being and thing.

And, OP, yes those men may be sad and freaks. Perhaps because they struggle to connect with other humans easily and have thus been relegated to lonesome lives - by those people calling them sad freaks.

BTW, I'm in no way defending the invention of these things. I am, however, saying that before you all leap on your high horses, you kinda need some evidence that harm is caused. There's a place for people who embark on campaigns of ban-this and hang-the-bastards based upon nothing but their hunch that it doesn't seem right to them: Daily Fail.