The sex robots are coming

[hamblehumpty]

Just watched this - anyone else? Couldn't believe what I was watching - total vilification of women, objectification - and in the main sad old perverts who can only 'score' with a plastic object - disgusted. But frightening really as it's happening.

Just read my first paragraph back and want to make it clear I mean a vibrator is not a substitute like these robots are.

I find it unpleasant but don't feel any right to interfere with what people do to inanimate objects in private. Furthermore, a large silver lining to this is that the same technological advancements will prove massively useful in improving (non sexual) prosthetics and the meeting the imminent need for automated (again, non sexual) care for the elderly.

I watched some of this program, it was fairly depressing.
The married bloke who bought 3 dolls for company while his wife nursed her dying mother because he was lonely was as far as I watched. His wife seemed somewhat resigned to her new housemates, by not overly alarmed by their presence. It was genuinely a bit sad watching a middle aged man dressing up a life size doll and declaring her his perfect woman while his wife looked on. I have no idea about the dynamics of their relationship but her acquiescence might lead to speculation that she’s happy to be relieved of certain aspects of their relationship.
I imagine there are some lonely men who have no access to sex other than through prostitution who may find these dolls fill a gap in their lives. But there will no doubt be men who buy (or hire) these dolls purely to abuse them in a way that isn’t acceptable in any other situation and the concern here is that dolls might not satisfy as much as time goes on leading the user to try thngs in a real life (i.e with an actual woman) to up the sexual kicks.
Pandora’s box is already opened though so I guess we will have to see.....

I find it unpleasant but don't feel any right to interfere with what people do to inanimate objects in private.

Someone up thread was talking about 'banning' them. There's quite a long way between understanding that something is unhealthy, unpleasant and not be be encouraged, and banning it. It is possible to understand something (smoking, shit food) is not healthy, and discourage it, rather than ban.

The issue is that often in the world of sex, talking about something being undesirable is taken as prudishness and ignorance. Porn, sex work, stripping are all 'empowering' and 'a free choice' and people think they reduce sex offending. They increase sex offending and aren't good for women's status. Sex robots are the same.

Why do we ban child sex robots? I mean it's repulsive of course but if they reduced offending that would be great, right? But we know child sex offenders build up to offending, often with porn. We know they would do the same with robots. Same is true of female adult robots.

There are fleshlights which ARE the equivalent. Sex robots aren't.

They are both used for sexual pleasure! They are sex toys, one happens to take on the form of a whole person and the other just a part of a person. Should sex toys have to be limited to only representing the sexual organs for them to be acceptable?

There also seems to be a default position on this thread that any man who buys one of these automatically has done so for nefarious purposes, or is vile, creepy, sad, ugly etc. Is it possible that there are quite a few men out there who just want to use them for sexual gratification because for whatever reason they can't be intimate with another person. They are not rapists in waiting or paedophiles, just someone a bit lonely and looking for an outlet in the privacy of their own home?

They are sex toys, one happens to take on the form of a whole person and the other just a part of a person.

Just happens to?

By accident?

Nonsense and you know it. The defining aspect of vibrators is that they vibrate, not that they ape penises. They are loads that look nothing like penises. There are some that do.

There has been no increase in female sex offending against men near Anne Summers shops. There is in men on women near strip clubs, with porn use, near areas with prostitution. I think this will be the same.

But of course NAMALT.

Why do we ban child sex robots?

Presumably, because it's an easy political vote winner. Bear in mind that the same government also banned depictions of face sitting so their motivations may not be entirely based around harm reduction.

But we know child sex offenders build up to offending, often with porn.

Cause and effect. It's very hard to explore, given the low number of offenders and the ethical difficulties of conducting such an investigation but does the evidence show that offenders were led to offend by access to pornography or was it simply more readily available than victims which they would have ultimately sought out, regardless of access to pornography? It's possible there may even be people out there who would offend if their urges weren't being met with the use of pornography or other sources that don't harm children.

It seems reminiscent of the scare tactic representation of cannabis as a 'gateway drug'.

There has been no increase in female sex offending against men near Anne Summers shops. There is in men on women near strip clubs, with porn use, near areas with prostitution. I think this will be the same.

Wouldn't the more accurate comparison be between Anne Summers shops and sex shops which purely offer male sex toys? This seems to be like comparing the injuries that happen on site at a motorcycle dealer against a race track purely for cars and concluding that cars are more dangerous than motorcycles.

Quick question to the people who think these dolls are ok?

Since these dolls can be made to order based off a photograph how many people would be happy with someone using their photo to create their own sex doll?

Or using a photo of your child?

Both taken from public forums.

Since these dolls can be made to order based off a photograph how many people would be happy with someone using their photo to create their own sex doll?

I'm not sure if I meet your criteria, since I think that people have a right to create and own them, as opposed to wanting to own one for myself. Personally, I wouldn't like it at all but I also wouldn't like someone drawing an unsolicited, unflattering sketch of me or writing an unpleasant work of fiction with me as the protagonist.

Do you believe access to charcoal, sketch pads or word processors should be limited because someone might draw or write an unpleasant parody of you?

Just happens to?
By accident?

No, they were designed that way. We are told repeatedly that men are way more visual when it comes to sexual stimulation so it is hardly surprising that as technology improves there would be a time when a sex toy that included boobs, bums, vagina, i.e. a physical representation of a women would be offered.

The defining aspect of vibrators is that they vibrate, not that they ape penises. They are loads that look nothing like penises. There are some that do.

I see that you have conveniently not mentioned dildos, which a quick look at lovehoneys extensive range suggests that the defining aspect of them is that they are overwhelming designed to look like a penis, veins and all! So there is clearly a market out there for women who want a sex toy that emulates an erect penis.

So do you view any man who buys a 'sex robot' as a prime candidate as a future sex offender? Do you have any evidence for this?

I'm not really bothered by this. I do hope that it will lead to less demand for exploited and trafficked women/children.

So do you view any man who buys a 'sex robot' as a prime candidate as a future sex offender? Do you have any evidence for this?

Look having a debate about whether sex robots are probably going to lead to increased sexism and sex offending shouldn't elicit this kind of ridiculous false equivalency and nonsense logic.

Of course, glaringly obviously, not every man who buys one will sexually offend. But having worked with sex offenders and looked at the statistics surrounding it, we should have pause about these.

Anything that dehumanizes women makes sex offending more likely. Anything that offenders can use to escalate is worrisome. Anything that encourages an ideal of women as subservient, passive recipients of sex is problematic.

Anyone who works with sex offenders will tell you there are behaviours that indicate a risk of impending offences: porn use, watching violent content, alcohol and drug use, 'minor' sex offending (flashing), even speaking about and to women in certain ways. Sex robots would absolutely fit the form.

Do you actually think we should look at how to reduce sex offending and sexism? Or is men's access to sex the only important issue?

"Since these dolls can be made to order based off a photograph how many people would be happy with someone using their photo to create their own sex doll?"

Honestly I doubt that will happen and even if it does I probably won't know anything about it. Ignorance is bliss. I don't post pictures of children on public forums. Parents who do face the possibility of anyone stealing those pictures for malicious purposes anyway.

For me, this is just hysteria on the original poster's part. The fact that these dolls are priced at 3K whereas porn is free makes all the difference. It will never be mainstream. There are real issues affecting women that require more attention.

Anyone who works with sex offenders will tell you there are behaviours that indicate a risk of impending offences: porn use, watching violent content, alcohol and drug use, 'minor' sex offending (flashing), even speaking about and to women in certain ways. Sex robots would absolutely fit the form.

Do you characterise the above as correlative or causative?

@Gronky you could never show causation because of the ethics of assigning people to a 'porn and robots' cohort!

@MrsTerryPratcett , I'm curious as to your opinion on the matter, I appreciate the difficulties of investigation.

There are a lot of extremely sad and pathetic men out there. How does anyone sink so low that they want to shag a doll?!

My feeling is that these offenders would largely still offend but less frequently because the build up to a new offences would be slower. They do show guilt and remorse so immersing themselves in things that dehumanize victims makes that evaporate more quickly.

I also think that there are more sex offenders where there is more inequality, sexism, objectification and where porn, sex work and violent depiction is common. Because it's quite hard to rape someone you have been socialized to see as equal, human, having agency and you can empathize with. That's more conjecture than the first point.

Hideous

New sex robots have ‘frigid’ setting, allowing men to simulate rape

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My feeling is that these offenders would largely still offend but less frequently because the build up to a new offences would be slower.

So would it be fair to characterise your views on pornography, violent content, alcohol, ect. with relation to sexual assault as contributory? I would propose that the reverse is actually true: alternative forms of release help prevent offending for genuine potential offenders and, the majority of users will never become offenders regardless of access or exposure.

Because it's quite hard to rape someone you have been socialized to see as equal, human, having agency and you can empathize with.

The majority (87%) of sexual assaults within the United Kingdom last year were committed by someone known to the victim. I would propose that this is due to easier access, both in terms of pure proximity as well as in terms of gaining trust for private interaction. It seems more that dehumanising is an ability possessed by offenders which allows them to offend, rather than something which is cultivated by alternative means of release.

I would propose that the reverse is actually true: alternative forms of release help prevent offending for genuine potential offender

Based on...

Based on...

The aforementioned 'gateway drug' notion that has subsequently been disproved repeatedly. Applying the same psychological model to the factors which you characterised as contributing to an increased rate of offence creates the requirement for an explanation as to the nature of the connection.

Apologies if you don't have access to the full article but 'The Effect of Easy Availability of Pornography on the Incidence of Sex Crimes: The Danish Experience' and 'Sexual Crime in India: Is it Influenced by Pornography?' explore the concept in more detail.

I give up.

It's a robot. Christ sake. There not being creeps to women. Why do we feel the need to judge what a person does in the privacy of their own home? It's not illegal. I see no issue.

A few months back I remember a thread that was asking mn their opinion of a sex doll as the op's son was disabled and would not be able to have real life gf etc.. The concensus was it was fine and that it should be allowed.

To frame all men as creeps, sad and vile for having a doll is extreme imo