To think than any country who considers the death penalty for abortion cannot claim to be "leader of the free world"

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Awful story about Ohio looking at making abortion illegal.

Andro Thank you, yes I sort of imagined that was the case. So they see themselves as on a par with God almost, but here on earth. Bit like the witch hunters of old, as pp said; full of self rightous indignation and hate.

Nothing like getting an inflated idea of your own importance, is there.

Truly appalling - they’re so pro-life they’ll potentially kill a woman for having an abortion? Irony?

There are no exceptions for conception through rape or incest - this state has no respect for its women or their basic human rights. Ohio’s (mainly) male supporters/proponents of this ‘law’ should be thouroughly ashamed.

And do the powers that be in Ohio have plans to introduce stoning in the street for female adulterers, or adulteresses as they would probably term them, any time soon?

If they tried it, even a fundie would be hard pressed to talk their way around John 8:7 'So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.'.

I doubt we'll see a move in that direction in the USA any time soon...

pigsDOfly I'm aware that you were not being entirely serious with the post about stoning!

Thank you Ando, that does make sense, if in a twisted way. Any time someone tries to use the Bible to justify something like this I immediately think of a scene in The West Wing. I'll find it in a sec but for anyone who doesn't know President Bartlet is a strong Christian who personally dislikes abortion but supports the right to choose.

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This is horrifying. When I first saw this thread I went and searched for more info and found an article that showed a clip from the state senate(?) and a female senator (might not be senate and senator, I don’t know what the terms are in the state levels of government, but was a politician in a chamber). She was supporting the bill and was holding her baby while she did it, presumably to manipulatively make a point about how caring she is and how precious her child is. It’s an unbelievably staggering level of self-righteousness and stupidity, from someone who presumably has never been told that if she continued with a pregnancy, her life would be in danger and that she should therefore terminate the pregnancy.

I’m very pro choice and think that abortion law in the UK (NI obviously but also the rest of the country) needs to be changed, but I appreciate not everyone shares that view. But to deny an abortion to someone whose life is threatened by the pregnancy, all in the name of being “pro life” makes me almost speechless with rage.

One of the vilest parts of this to me is the not allowing abortion for women who have been raped.

It goes way way beyond this.

If you have cancer then you will need a pregnancy test before each treatment because some cancer treatments will kill the foetus and that could be classed as an abortion.

If the test is positive your cancer treatment will stop.

In Ireland they used to do a procedure that instead of offering a cesarean they used to break the mother's pelvis so she could continue having children.

Does the law include the morning after pill? If so that could impact on the selling of contraceptive pills. Some contraceptive pills can be used in an increased amount as a morning after pill.

Until 1997 women on the Channel Islands could be given a life sentence for having an abortion, and I seem to remember, but correct me if I'm wrong that applied to an abortion carried out elsewhere.

It is only in the last year that women from NI could access an NHS abortion, so not only did they have to travel but also find the funds to pay.

Whilst everyone on here is in a state of outrage can I suggest having a look at 'Abortion Support Network' and either donating or volunteering? www.asn.org.uk/

Or women on waves. This is a Dutch charity, they have a floating abortion clinic which they sail to close to various countries where abortion is illegal, but remain in international waters. They then ferry women to the boat/clinic and back after the termination.

www.womenonwaves.org/

So, if I've got this right, you could end up being murdered for being raped...?

But the rapist, (if caught!), would, at worst, go to jail for bit.

Fuck, that is very scary.

I dont have anything to add which hasn't really been said already, but oh my life, why is this shit being allowed in 2018??!!

Tbh though the biggest shock of this is finding out you could get life in prison for abortion in the Channel Islands until 1997!

@gottagogottago worse still, if you were wearing lacy knickers at the time of the rape, you obviously we tagging for it, deserved to be raped and are to blame for the whole thing.
That's the world we live in today 😕

DyManChampionOfTheSun

The isle of man insists on women seeing a gynecologist and a psychiatrist before they get an abortion. If they are raped then they must have reported the rape.

Fortunately it looks like things will change soon.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-46112880

I have no idea why anyone considers the US a highly civilised country

Because it's so heterogeneous. I work for a company which (until recent acquisition) was American - the Americans I interact with are Bostonian or Californian scientists (many not born in the USA). Disproportionately those will be the type of people who interact outside their country (or state, even). More than half of the electorate voted for Clinton, not Trump.

I never understand how people can be anti-abortion but pro the death penalty. Yes, I understand the basic premise that the death penalty is theoretically given to those who have killed innocent lives and therefore they deserve it, but it just makes no sense to me.

These types of issues have long been prevalent in developing countries. But I think the reason it shocks us so much in the US is because from tv and movies, we have a very warped idea of what America is. The Americans who we meet because they travel to Europe or other parts of the world, or when we travel to cities like New York, Boston and Los Angeles, are not like the vast bulk of Americans. Ditto, the America we see on TV and in the movies, isn't necessary the America that really exists and it's horrifying to us. We watch shows that show liberalism and honour and a form of patriotism that is appealing and then we hear about women in Ohio wanting to KILL other women because they got pregnant and don't want the baby, for whatever reason, and it makes our heads explode!

Andro Yes you're right, I wasn't entirely serious with my remark about stoning women but, good grief, how far away is that from sentencing a woman to death if she tries to abort a foetus conceived because she was raped; women in other counties have been stoned to death for exactly that reason - for being raped, I mean, not for obtaining abortions.

These law makers are evil. They have no compassion and no humanity and certainly no respect for women. And they clearly have no sense of irony.

This is heartbreaking and sickening.

The country as a whole isn’t considering it.

Do Ohio even execute people very often?

The country as a whole isn’t considering it.

It seems that ' The United States of America is...' is veering towards 'The not-very-United states of America are...'

For some unknown reason, the fundamentalists hold great sway in the US.

The notion of Trump assuming some pretext of being pro-life would be funny if he weren't appointing SCJs.

I cannot remember which state/ county it is, but there is one county, I THINK within Tennesee which is responsible for more than half of all death penalty cases in the US (again, can't remember the exact number). Which just shows how parts of the US are like a different world....