To think than any country who considers the death penalty for abortion cannot claim to be "leader of the free world"

[Binglebong]

Awful story about Ohio looking at making abortion illegal.

Gosh Binglebong that link is horrific.

That makes horrifying reading.

Was it a man proposing this by chance?
'sponsored by Ohio Sens. Rob Hood and Nino Vitale'

Yup, both men.

The co-sponsors are listed here, I checked them...
www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/legislation-summary?id=GA132-HB-565

Of the 16 listed, one wouldn't open, one was a woman and the other 14 were men.

Nowt says “pro-life” like suggesting the death penalty for abortion.

And scatteroflight are you serious? It’s ridiculous to infer that women should be prepared to cross state lines to obtain a medical procedure.

scatterolight

Simple solution, don't have an abortion in Ohio?

The finest example of MN UK Middle class twattery

Nowt says “pro-life” like suggesting the death penalty for abortion.
^ this

It’s ridiculous to infer that women should be prepared to cross state lines to obtain a medical procedure
Before you shout me down, I agree entirely. However, is this not the situation in Northern Ireland?

Let's not forget the 'abortion crimes act' that is still in force in the UK and that women have been prosecuted in n.ireland for having abortions. Yes the US has issues, but we've got our own problems here still.

I wonder how quickly this would be dropped if it also proposed to impose the death penalty on the father of the foetus?

It’s ridiculous to infer that women should be prepared to cross state lines to obtain a medical procedure
Before you shout me down, I agree entirely. However, is this not the situation in Northern Ireland?

Yes, and it's shameful. There have been some signs that national government wants to overrule the NI assembly on this (I think casting it as a human rights issue, ie a woman's right to bodily autonomy) rather than a health issue would make this possible to deal with at a national rather than a devolved level. But of course brexit, and in particular the position of the DUP impedes progress.

scatterolight
Simple solution, don't have an abortion in Ohio?

Wow, just wow!!

It’s ridiculous to infer that women should be prepared to cross state lines to obtain a medical procedure
Before you shout me down, I agree entirely. However, is this not the situation in Northern Ireland?

Yes and it's shit

It is the situation in NI- and it needs to change, but in Ohio it would be regression, which is both terrifying and sadder.

It’s ridiculous to infer that women should be prepared to cross state lines to obtain a medical procedure
Before you shout me down, I agree entirely. However, is this not the situation in Northern Ireland?

Yes, and it's shameful.

Agreed with bells on.

YANBU Horrific

It's El Salvador that is in the news on a regular basis for imprisoning women for decades for having miscarriages or stillbirths.

www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/world/americas/el-salvador-abortion.html

People who support laws like this view all women as expendable, though.

YANBU and it turns my stomach it really does. It almost reminds me that the UK is not that far behind with the disgusting treatment of NI women.

It also reminds me that should read

What the hell is going on with women's rights at the moment?

What the hell is going on with women's rights at the moment?

They're being undermined left right and centre, is what's happening. A reminder from a certain type of man that we have been getting above ourselves and need to get back into our collective box, do you think?

To be very clear, I don't agree with what some of Ohio's politicians are trying to do and I really don't agree with the death penalty!

Nowt says “pro-life” like suggesting the death penalty for abortion.

Many 'pro-lifers' are Christian fundamentalists (not all, but huge numbers), here's how they'd justify their (horrific) viewpoint:

The word 'kill', as used in Exodus 20:13 KJV bible is taken from the Hebrew for murder - you must not murder i.e. take a life without just legal cause.

The word 'kill' as used in Ecclesiastes 3:3 was translated from a different Hebrew word and means to kill/slay (not murder).

Therefore, with eyes firmly attuned to a hell-fire-and-brimstone interpretation of the bible, taking the life of the fetus would be adjudged murder as it would have no legal cause. The death penalty would have legal cause as this right was conferred upon governments by God (Romans 12 through Romans 13).

All of which does a sickening job of turning the bible into what the fundamentalist movement want it to be - with scarily little appreciation for the teachings of Christ.

Pro lifers wanting the death penalty for abortion. Pro LIFERS.

How ironic.

Andro You're clearly well informed on biblical matters so can you please explain to me, an atheist, how these christian fundamentalists would use their interpretation of their bible to condone the murder of women by the state for the, in their view, sin of murdering a feotus.

YANBU what did I just read!? Will they be introducing capital punishment for rapists, I suspect not.

pigsDOfly - First they would say that the woman had committed murder, the unlawful taking of a life. The death penalty is seen as being within the remit of government as delegated by God to those acting in his stead on Earth, as a consequence it is not murder and is not in violation of God's law (rather it is actively condoned under the guise of God's retribution on Earth).

And do the powers that be in Ohio have plans to introduce stoning in the street for female adulterers, or adulteresses as they would probably term them, any time soon?