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Children in Pubs

232 replies

MaryJenson · 17/11/2018 06:31

On a Friday evening, hordes of them in the bar.

Drives me mental!

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longwayoff · 19/11/2018 10:34

Kids in pubs? I haven't been in a pub in more years than I care to think of. It used to be illegal, what happened?

Gromance02 · 19/11/2018 10:39

It used to be illegal Yes - I thought this - unless they were having a meal.

BlaaBlaaBlaa · 19/11/2018 10:48

@gromance what a judgemental post. I live in a very middle class area and children in pubs is a very common occurrence around here. The pubs would go out of business if they didn't let kids in.

PurpleTrilby · 19/11/2018 11:03

When I worra lass, a long time ago, it was illegal for under-14s to be in any pub. From 14 kids could go in and even drink alcohol, if it was bought for them by someone over 18. A very few pubs had children’s rooms, which was legal, but my memory of them is usually cold and boring! In our area, and I suspect this was common in many communities, was me and my sibling could be discreetly taken inside if the landlord/lady allowed it, but only as a favour and with dire warnings about going home if we made any fuss or noise. Many times we’d wait outside with the obligatory Vimto and crisps, though.

I’ve no problem with well behaved kids in pubs during the day (not night time) now, but what was literally painfully annoying, was the last time I went to pub on my own. It was during the day, kids with parents, fine, but what I found was the mother’s volume control had simply risen to be as loud as her three kids, all over 7 I think, who were LOUD. She hurt my ears by screeching so fucking loud and close to me as they went through a door way. The kids were right in front of her and she was teaching them it was fine to do this. There was no music to shout over, hardly anyone else in that section, me sitting in a corner on my laptop, bloody ridiculous woman. I may have sworn, but as others have said, it was in a fucking pub, so I will!

longwayoff · 19/11/2018 11:15

Yes purple, a landlord/lady would be most put out to find a child lurking in a licensed area, hence so many of us with the 'drink with a straw and a packet of crisps' memories of standing outside. I believe - could be wrong - children being banned was part of the WW1licensing act and prevented kids being sent to the pub to collect a jug of beer and pack of fags for mum/dad. Just realised why an off licence is called an off licence. Duh. Wonder when it changed.

abacucat · 19/11/2018 11:26

There is a big difference to a kid having Sunday lunch in a pub, or even sitting for an hour having a coke; to children being expected to be there hour after hour while they are drinking. And I have seen middle class parents do this as well - ignore kids for hours while they are drinking. Kids get bored and misbehave.

Caprisunorange · 19/11/2018 11:50

“Hardly ever see children in our local pubs. It's not a shit area though so that's probably why. Its a bit of a chavvy thing to do to be honest.”

I don’t think this indicates you live in a nice area. I live in one of the most expensive cities in the U.K.- it’s where everyone who works in the city moves when they have children and bring the benefit of selling their £1m flat in Clapham- and children are all over pubs here. Everyone has them and everyone is social, because that’s the demographic. If you want to see your friends you all meet for a pub lunch.

Arnoldthecat · 19/11/2018 11:53

Well the PubCos love it. They need to bring on future generations of drinkers to replace older ones who have died off having lined the corporate profits of the likes of Diageo. Why do you think they have family friendly pubs??

Catch them young,get them familiar with the environment..

NoDancingPolicy · 19/11/2018 12:05

Same situation on Friday night in our local pub - a group of about 6 mum's in the corner having a drink whilst a dozen young kids ran around the pub, sitting at lots of different tables and sprawling on the floor.
I don't mind kids in the pub, but they should be supervised and sitting quietly with their parents, not running around and stopping other people getting a table and enjoying their evening.

MaryJenson · 19/11/2018 12:07

Sounds like we’re at the same pub on a Friday evening NoDancingPolicy

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Pumpkinbell · 19/11/2018 12:42

It depends on how well they behave. Pubs do need to allow children now a days as trade is suffering and if all pubs banned children then all the families (prop 70% of the population) would have to stay home and pubs wouldn’t make money. They probably make more profit off childrens pop and crisps then they do alcohol. Our DD5 comes to the pub with us but we take things with us for her to do, colouring, tablet, dolls and she nay play on the games machine etc and she know that if she starts to misbehave then we have to leave and go home. There are some Children who do run around and get under customers feet while their parents just sit and drink and yes that is very annoying but not sure you can always blame the children?! Don’t get me wrong our DD isn’t always an angel she can have her naughty days but she knows going to the pub is a treat and she has to be good. Not everyone thinks the same.

lyssie29 · 19/11/2018 12:44

As long as the pub is serving food and soft drinks children are allowed to stay. I believe it's usually 9pm. Nearly every place around me is a family pub/restaurant so they are not actually pubs. When I was 18 these family establishments didn't exist. They are NOT pubs. Load of rubbish saying taking them to a place like this is a chav thing to do. I'm a single mum and in order to meet my friends/family we meet for dinner. I have one pint but going by some of these comments if you walked past me while drinking that one pint while I have my food you would call me a chav and a bad mum?? This country is becoming a bit of a joke.

medusawashere · 19/11/2018 13:19

I like kids but definitely hate seeing them in pubs. Not that I'll ever be anything other than polite, of course, but I'll sit as far away as I can to keep the peace and quiet. As an autistic, I find the high-pitched and loud nature of childrens' voices to be quite horrible to listen to unless spoken at an acceptable volume. That makes me sound horrible, I'm really nice i promise! I just can't stand loud, high pitched noises and pubs are usually a break from that.

FrenchJunebug · 19/11/2018 13:53

YBVU you do know that in mainland Europe it's quite common for children to be in pub and cafes in the evening?!

Hellesbelle · 19/11/2018 13:55

Families in the med,Portugal, France, Greece, and other such countries tend to eat together as a family every day their culture of coming together to eat drink and socialise means that children learn from a very young age that certain behaviour is just not acceptable. Sadly in the UK we are very Child unfriendly but we don’t have the same kind of routines and lifestyle that you get in these other countries. People in the UK still expect children to be seen and not heard . I don’t have a problem with taking children into pubs I did it regularly when my son was very young and just learning to walk,usually at lunchtime when it was quiet, he has often gone to the pub with me or his grandmother and he has been raised to respect other people and to understand that if he cannot behave then he will be treated like a naughty toddler, to a six-year-old as he was at the time this was the worst kind of punishment he could think off. From what has been posted it seems to me that the children are just doing what I have learnt to do so instead of blaming The children lay the blame firmly at the feet of the parents who are either incapable or can’t be bothered to raise their children in a civilised and respectful way.

abacucat · 19/11/2018 14:01

French In many places there are family places - the kind kids go to - that serve food and drink. Then there are old man cafes where no kids would go. I have been in some as a woman and got stared at. So not true that all places are welcoming of kids.

CheeseAndBeans · 19/11/2018 14:08

My kids love going to the pub! We go to our local a couple of times a month, usually on a Sunday afternoon. They are well behaved (most of the time!), don't run about and love being allowed a bottle of orange juice and a bag of crisps.
Our local is a village pub and quite a few regulars go in with their children, no one seems to mind.
Would never have them in there later than about 7, and me and OH don't get drunk so I don't see an issue!

LakieLady · 19/11/2018 14:17

Swearing frequently and loudly in any decent pub isn’t great

Lol, for many years the most popular pub in town greeted its regulars with "(Name), you old cunt, how the fuck are you?" and similarly sweary greetings. And at the end of the night, it was "Fuck off home, you lovely people".

Mind you, they only allowed children in the games room, which didn't have a bar in it.

abacucat · 19/11/2018 14:30

Some people swear, big deal.

Arnoldthecat · 19/11/2018 18:09

Agree with Hellesbelle..... its a big generalization of course but other Med countries do have a more family oriented lifestyle mostly driven by culture. How many UK families possess a thing called a dining room table that is not just for ornamental purposes? How many families eat together?

Britain is largely broken in this respect.

toomanycuddlytoys · 19/11/2018 21:48

Never taken Ds age 12, to a pub. Not necessary. He likes parks and kid stuff. I am a parent and don't feel I need to go to the pub with child in tow. Get a babysitter?

masterandmargarita · 19/11/2018 22:41

Ooh I wish it was like the old days when just the old men used to escape their wives and family, propping up the bar with other similar old codgers. Now that's a proper pub - none of this family friendly nonsense with families hanging out together.

AleFailTrail · 19/11/2018 22:49

It’s the sprinter screamers that annoy me. More than once a kid has been wearing part of a pint after barreling to me as I walk back to my table. Followed by pissed off parent upset child has been splashed. Never mind me having to buy another bloody pint because it was out of control.

lyssie29 · 20/11/2018 11:13

@toomanycuddlytoys lucky you that you can get a babysitter. So you have never taken your child out for Sunday lunch or anything? The pub next to me has an outdoor play area which is actually better than the local park. We all sit down as a family and eat our food then the kids can play in the playarea while we have a chat. Whats so bad about that? There is also a seperate seating area for those who just go in for drinks and children arent allowed in there.

toomanycuddlytoys · 20/11/2018 21:51

No I didn't take him until he was 12 and I was confident he would remain seated and quiet . Even then, only a lunchtime carvery in school half terms. Other times we eat at home together