...to think that if Comic Relief are going to do a "Woman Wednesday" blog about "inspirational female figures", it should have an inspirational female figure in it?

[ArcheryAnnie]

Comic Relief are doing a new weekly blog, about inspirational women.

"Women Wednesday’s is our new weekly column for Gender Justice month here at Comic Relief, where we will be giving the spotlight to one inspirational female figure per week. We focus on women who have created change and spearheaded movements for other women, and stood up against discrimination against gender and sexuality."

Fantastic, right? They've got links to all kinds of amazing women, working in very challenging conditions across the world, who are helping to create a better world for everyone, not just themselves. What a brilliant blog theme! What brilliant, inspirational woman are we all going to learn about today, I wonder?

Well. Here's who they picked as their "inspirational female figure": www.comicrelief.com/news/women-wednesdays-heres-why-lili-elbe-our-inspirational-figure-week

Women deserve better, Comic Relief. You've really screwed up on this one.

Rat I am not 'excited' just amused at your continued verbal contortions. And yet more cherry picking. Read the whole post and engage with it all, perhaps.

CR claim Lili Elbe is a trans woman ego all your bluster about her being intersex and therefore a real woman is just more of your bluster. Said bluster being as distinctly unpleasant as much other TRA verbiage in that you are trying so very hard to tell women they are wrong!

Just as CR have done your bluster will only manage to annoy women and to set their minds more firmly into the knowledge trans women are, and always have been men. You are defeating your own purpose.

Just as CR has done with this ill thought out, insulting choice!

Elbe wasn't picked for this because she might have had ovaries.

Elbe was picked for this because she was a transwoman and apparently 'transwoman' trumps 'woman' now when it comes to talking about 'inspirational females'.

So are we any closer to knowing what was inspirational about this person?

Has anyone been inspired by the publicity to do or be anything more than they were before CR posted?

I've been inspired to never donate to Comic Relief again.

I'm inspired to give to a womens charity. For women.

Leaving aside the whole are they a man or woman thing I just can’t see how this person is inspiring. From the thousands of women they could have chosen they selected this person???? Really? What did they do to inspire women? I’ll go with the obvious choice and first I can think of from the top of my head, of Pankhurst. Changed the lives of literally millions of women. Or Marie stopes. Or Malala- a daily inspiration.

www.actionaid.org.uk/blog/news/2017/06/19/why-menstruation-matters-for-refugee-women anyone know anything about this charity?

Well, I dunno about you I find an intersex WOMAN having a uterus transplant (from another woman) about as inspirational as momen ever get.
Other women don't really do much inspirational stuff, do they? And having operations is pretty amazing.

It used to be that inspirational meant that someone had done something worthwhile for society in some way eg made an amazing scientific breakthrough or invented a new product that has sold in its millions and changed lives in some way or allowed votes for a marginalised group of people eg the suffrage movement.

When did the meaning of the word inspirational change????

So what was transplanted then?

It says uterus in the article.

It would be an implant, not a transplant as it was female to male not female to female.

Has anyone been inspired by the publicity to do or be anything more than they were before CR posted?

I've been inspired to email CR to tell them to fuck off and take their woke bro bullshit with them.

Personally I never donated to comic relief anyway and always preferred to give to charities and causes directly - due to my inherent hatred of virtue signalling luvvies who could have just donated some of their ridiculously high BBC wages and got rid of the forced jollity along with the pretence that donating will save a magic wand over problems inherently created by corrupt governments...so this is great for me.

Donate directly and cut out the middle men...is my motto.

I've realised why this got under my skin so much.

No-one (I hope) is saying trans women (and men) don't deserve a seat at the table - I certainly am not. However, my issue is that rather than us all making room for trans people at the table (go with my metaphor) we as women have to give up our seat for transwomen. And it's not that I don't want you to sit down, I do, but also we have fought for a long time to get this measly seat at the end of the table and now all of that is worthless because you demand MY seat? And there is a sense of entitlement on their behalf because they were born privileged men in a patriarchal society who don't appreciate what it means to be raised female in that society and why we just want to bloody sit down and get on with it, and not be told that our experience is meaningless and how them sitting down is also me sitting down. Except its not. It's just another privileged male born demanding women make room for them.

Meanwhile, all the men still have a seat and are laughing at how they've found a brilliant new way to undermine us with our own sex and gender.

"Gerda was a much better artist than her spouse, she really deserves a proper biography of her own."

That's the point though isn't it? She's never going to get recognition no matter how much better she was because she was born with a vagina and so will always be seen as second best to someone born with a penis whether the person born with a penis feels they are a woman or not.

How much more inspirational is it to be the woman who supported Lili throughout her change?

@DisrespectfulAdultFemale you have made me laugh!

I just swore at the BT tower. I'm going to be seeing that poxy logo all day then?

Just to sound like a broken record, for those who want to find an alternative place to donate that actually supports women and children, see my postvof 22:57 last night about Amazon Wishlists.

The Ronald Macdonald Houses (providing accommodation for parents whose children are in hospital) also have Wish Lists, usually with “boring” but essential stuff like tea, coffee, toilet rolls, etc on them.

I just swore at the BT tower

well, it makes a change from screaming at the sistine chapel, I suppose.

Maybe am being mean but I do not see what is so inspirational about having an operation helmet?

Blueskiesandforests from what I've seen on Twitter they focus on women in the biological sense and they're not afraid to talk about the silencing of women's voices.

twitter.com/actionaid?lang=en
If you scroll through you'll see lots of mentions of women and girls and how they are oppressed by patriarchal systems.

So who exactly was it who brought intersex into this? Because I'm pretty sure you started a thread about how a potentially intersex woman shouldn't be recognised as a woman because . You brought intersex RIGHT into it by falling to do even a cursory Google on the woman you were slating.

Oh, Rat, what tedious bullshit you spout. I did not bring intersex into it because it's not relevant, as you well know. Lili had a cock and balls. Lili was desperate to be validated as a woman. Lili was a landscape painter, not a doctor. Lili's friend, who repeated the "rudimentary ovaries" thing in his book on Lili, was a literary editor, not a doctor either. All the articles which describe this possibility note that it's "speculation" and that we will never know for sure. Even people who want to claim Lili as intersex acknowledge that Lili was an unreliable narrator.

Perhaps, just perhaps - and there's no evidence, just speculation - Lili was secretly intersex. We will never know, without digging Lili up and doing some tests. Perhaps there's other people who are intersex too, and who will never know without some tests. Perhaps I am the last of the Romanovs, but I'll never know either, without doing some tests. Until then, my claim for the Winter Palace will rightly be treated with some scepticism.

In the meantime, what we do know is that someone with a cock and balls who lived most of their life presenting exactly as a perfectly ordinary, arty, well-off Danish bloke, with all the privilege that this entails, and whose "inspirational" achievement was remaking themselves, has been offered to us by Comic Relief as an "inspirational female". No thanks.

And for genuinely inspirational (and remarkable) women, how about these:
twitter.com/ActionAid/status/1051803576362786817

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed thanks. I didn't know about them until someone posted the link I used in a local group I'm part of on Facebook. The local group did a similar, but smaller scale, Christmas donation drive last year (donating unwanted handbags stocked with sanitary products and hygiene products) but aren't doing it this year. They sound like a great option.

I've realised why this got under my skin so much.

No-one (I hope) is saying trans women (and men) don't deserve a seat at the table - I certainly am not. However, my issue is that rather than us all making room for trans people at the table (go with my metaphor) we as women have to give up our seat for transwomen. And it's not that I don't want you to sit down, I do, but also we have fought for a long time to get this measly seat at the end of the table and now all of that is worthless because you demand MY seat? And there is a sense of entitlement on their behalf because they were born privileged men in a patriarchal society who don't appreciate what it means to be raised female in that society and why we just want to bloody sit down and get on with it, and not be told that our experience is meaningless and how them sitting down is also me sitting down. Except its not. It's just another privileged male born demanding women make room for them.

Meanwhile, all the men still have a seat and are laughing at how they've found a brilliant new way to undermine us with our own sex and gender.

Thank you, @JellyBaby666,this is the most perfect, measured articulation of how I'm feeling.

Read the whole post and engage with it all, perhaps.

I'm sorry curious but as i said in my last post, I couldn't engage with your whole post because I honestly don't understand what you're getting at. I really don't. I'm not being deliberately obtuse, I just don't understand what you're trying to argue with me about!

*Elbe wasn't picked for this because she might have had ovaries.^

Avegemitesandwich hots the nail on the head, much more succinctly than I could.