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To ask how much you earn

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ezeria · 12/11/2018 12:20

How much do you earn per anum before tax? What is your current position/job/career? Do you enjoy it?

OP posts:
2littleguineas · 14/11/2018 09:05

Just under €13k working 18 hours a week for Boots as a customer assistant.

FearLoveAndTheTimeMachine · 14/11/2018 09:12

NotToday1601 I actually really truly disagree with the phrase ‘money doesn’t buy happiness’: technically it’s true, you can’t exchange money for an emotional state, but the spirit of it is completely false and I do think anyone who has ever been truly bones of their arse skint wouldn’t say it. That’s not to cast any kind of judgment on your own background though.

I’ve earned less than £10k per year working jobs I hated, unable to make ends meet sinking into debt. I’m now on £34k and I can honestly say money is one of the most important factors in personal happiness. It’s not the money, it’s what you can do with it. For example when my mum died I didn’t have sick pay and was earning so little I had no savings so I had to go back to work after two days and it was absolutely horrific trying to work while in immediate grief. Something really traumatic happened last winter and due to having a good job and savings and sick pay it afforded me the time to take a few weeks off work and recuperate which helped me recover a lot faster. Some of the things that make people happiest cost money: I love live music and gigs are pretty much the most euphoric and fulfilled I’ve ever been, but tickets cost money. People who enjoy travelling, costs money. Books cost money (libraries are mostly shut down), if you love eating out that costs money. Not having the money for any treats or to do stuff that makes you happy can have a real impact on your mood. Money can be exchanged for things that bring you a lot of joy and happiness.

Not to mention the inverse, that not having money is so stressful and distressing and worrying, being properly skint can have a huge impact on depression, anxiety, just being miserable, it reduces your options, your agency, your freedom, your ability to leave a bad situation. If you’ve ever been unable to sleep for worrying about whether the petrol station will let you put £1.50 in your car to try make it to work the next morning or how you’re gonna fill up on water to stop the hunger during your shift or anxiously waiting for the call from your bank to warn you you’re racking up overdraft charges, you’d never say money doesn’t buy happiness. It’s such a massively privileged thing to say.

FearLoveAndTheTimeMachine · 14/11/2018 09:15

Also, saying you’ve worked hard for your money in no way denigrates others or implies that people on lower wages don’t work hard. I worked VERY hard to drag myself from sub £10k poverty wages to where I’m at now (which might not be much to some people but compared to my upbringing and life so far £34k is riches lol), that doesn’t take away from anyone else, and faux modesty and pretending it’s easy benefits nobody. Also you have no clue what someone has been through to get to where they’re at. It’s not just the hours put in at work, it’s dealing with everything else life throws at you too.

I studied and volunteered and worked my arse off while dealing with a severe chronic pain disability, the death of a parent, family estrangement, various other challenges (as many people have dealt with) and I’m very proud of myself to be able to enjoy my life today now I can look back and know it was all worth it Smile

AnotherOneHere · 14/11/2018 09:26

It's weird though that we discuss the most intimate details of our sex lives or anatomy on MN. But talking about career and money is such a private matter people should not even post about it anonymously?

I have to agree that of course money does not make you happy. But I have been so poor I had to look for coins between sofa cushions to be able to feed myself until payday - and that certainly does not help the happiness levels either.

FearLoveAndTheTimeMachine · 14/11/2018 09:51

Completely agree AnotherOneHere

When I was really skint working as a delivery driver on a horrible zero hour contract (and earning less than min wage in practice as they made you pay for some of your own petrol costs) I remember one week getting a chest infection on a Monday, but I wasn’t being paid until Friday, and I couldn’t afford the £7 prescription charge as i needed that money for petrol to keep going to work. And if I’d missed work I’d lose my job. I felt so ill and as the week went by I got sicker and sicker (I’m asthmatic), working insanely long hours (fifteen per day as I had an unpaid full time placement during the day and then seven hours of driving after work until midnight) with a developing chest infection until Friday when I could finally afford the £7 to treat it.

When you have money you just get your bank card out, go buy the medication you need, get better faster and don’t feel as wretched, you can have a day off sick and not have to worry about money as you get sick pay or have the money to cover a loss of a day’s wage, problems that are so easy to resolve with money become disasters when you’re truly skint as you don’t have the money to solve problems as they come up and things escalate.

onename · 14/11/2018 09:59

65k tax free (I don't work in the UK)
HR manager for a Fortune 500 company.
I don't enjoy it, I'd much prefer working in a small family run business but the area of HR I work in is only required in large businesses.
45 hours a week is the standard contractual hours so I'd like to change career at some point, especially with a little one now.

2littleguineas · 14/11/2018 10:01

Agree, I would be miserable as hell trying to live on my €13k, dh has a decent salary and what I earn makes life nicer means we can have holidays and treats.
There was a thread here a few days ago where the op had £600 a month to cover food, clothes, social, Christmas/birthdays, school, unexpected expenses, house hold upkeep for herself, one teen and one child (I think) and she was told by many she had plenty.
Her and many others stories sounded like they were just about existing and they were been told to be grateful. Surely it's not unrealistic to feel that life shouldn't be just about having the bare essentials!

2018SoFarSoGreat · 14/11/2018 10:02

140k plus 40k bonus most years. COO of law firm and really like it for the most part. Worked my way up (am late 50s) and sacrificed too much to get here, in retrospect. Long hours, lots of stress, never really off the clock.

It is stunning how much disparity there is in this thread. It just makes no sense the low value put on different, critical, services.

VanGoghsDog · 14/11/2018 10:43

It just makes no sense the low value put on different, critical, services.

This is one of the reasons I don't like my job much. It feels so entirely futile. And yet I get paid about 3x more than a nurse!

I have a plan, a five year plan, to move to something different. But I need to do a couple of qualifications in that five years and fill up my pension a bit more.
The area I want to move to will be more stressful in some ways, but feel more useful and probably be part time pay (for full time stress and even hours) on a far lower salary anyway, but I want to give it a go, for five years preferably. Then retire (so I have a ten year plan in fact!)

anothernc123 · 14/11/2018 10:50

35k london, part-qualified chartered accountant, I'll be on 50k next september. I'm 24 for reference.

I don't enjoy it but I will in a year or so when I use the qualification to go more into business and then there'll also be far more earning potential (70k+ at 25/26)

pretzelflipzaretheanswer · 14/11/2018 12:39

Some really good points made. Really interesting to read and not what I was expecting from another "what do you earn?" thread.

Daffodildainty · 14/11/2018 12:40

£115 k - plus bonus - financial services - but have just reduced to 4 day week to support aged P, achieve better work life balance and reduce tax - at under £100 k I get my personal tax allowance back.

layercake9 · 14/11/2018 13:14

105k, project manager, oil and gas. Central London. I think this thread would mean more if we relate salary to location of work. As I understand it my role is paid a lot less outside of London.
I work 9 - 6ish, flexible working - wfh 2 or 3 days a week.
I'm a single mum so 1 income household living in Greater London where things are pricey, and no dh let alone one who earns "DH £300-350k+ depending on bonus"...

EverybodyLovesRaymond · 14/11/2018 13:21

There are some amazing salaries on here. I do think a lot of people will read and not bother to post. I'm studying to go self employed next year and don't know what I'll be earning but nowhere near as much as some of these.

I did see someone on my Facebook this morning who had been promoted and I thought wow, they will be earning loads but then again I thought I wouldn't want that kind of responsibility so I don't deserve to be earning that sort of money.

TheExtraGuineaPig · 14/11/2018 13:21

Nothing at the moment as taking some time to look after kids fulltime while DH works overseas. Last job was £60k in HR for a big company. Interesting, largely pointless/ low impact and long hours.

My grandma always said "money doesn't make you happy but not having money makes you bloody miserable". I grew up with patches of not very much at all and I always think of what she said.

I also agree with what others have said about how shocking it is that vital jobs can be so low paid.

layercake9 · 14/11/2018 13:31

Good point anothernc123. Stating our ages also helps for reference. I'm 42 and have worked my way up the corporate (oh how I despise this word!) ladder. I earned £18k for my first job in West Midlands, aged 22.

I lost my job a few years ago and have experienced financial hardship for a while. It was a real eye opener. I'm still traumatised by it. I'm very careful with how I manage my money.

Xenia · 14/11/2018 14:13

50s, lawyer. I don't want to say. I usually just say over £100k and under £1m (and remember the state takes half in direct taxes and you get no single person allowance - not that I expect anyone to weep for me over that). I work for myself and have worked full time since £1983 without a break even for babies (I took 2 weeks holiday and went back full time), Mind you lots of people working full time on £15k a year may well have gone back full time and just taken off 2 weeks when a baby came - nothing special about someone at my income level doing it.

I have been scanning my 1980s and now 1990s diaries which has been interesting as there is so much detail about money (and children and sleepless nights and all the rest too - we had very non sleeping children babies, toddlers, 4 years olds etc) I am now at 1993. We bought 2 buy to let flats a few year before (which I now call "buy to lose") and it was all building up to go very wrong. We moved house in about 1990 and bought our last house for about £275,000. We took out for those days a massive mortgage which was really risky - it was called a deferred interest mortgage. All interest over 10% pa was not paid but added to the loan. We were paying about 15% interest so masses was being added to the debt and we had negative equity. To make things worse the second flat had a 13% interest loan over 10 years fixed for the 10 years at 13% and the rents were less than the loans so the only way that investment worked was if property rose in value. Instead it had fallen so far by about 25% (this is outer London). I probably win London's prize for the worst property investor ever. We are putting in about 50 hours a year of painting of the flats, doing them up, moving furniture, unblocking drains and all sorts. It is like reading a story book except I know the ending.

So in 1992 we started trying to pay back some of that deferred interest to try to get the mortgage back to what it it had started with. We had no savings at all of course although the 3 children had a little bit. So 3 properties, both working full time with second jobs and no savings and no capital and negative equity. Eeeek........ Then we suffered the day in 1992 when interest rates rose 2$% and then 3%, Luckily the 3% was reversed but it had meant financial ruin as our interest paid would have exceeded full time childcare costs etc.

In a way 1992 was a good and a bad year however as suddenly interest rates started going down. They went down so much that we were £4000 a year better off and the 13% loan on the flat suddenly was worse than the standard variable deferred interest loan. On the other hand I was expected to be made a partner at the firm I was working at and was told that had now changed - disaster. By 1993 the recession was getting worse and my interviews, the few I had, were not yielding a new job anywhere. however interest rates were lower so we were paying back debt whenever we good particularly the mortgage fixed at 13% interest. I took on even more weekend work. i was making A level law papers, law papers for an accountancy body and for the Law Society, loads of high towers of scripts would arrive meaning yet another weekend spent marking - A level law was £2 a script.

We will have to wait until I have read more of 1993 to get the further details as I am finding my memory not always accurate. I know I set up on my own in early 1994 with no clients but I can see in 1993 these extra things like £500 advance for a book were helping to repay some of the massive debts never mind the reducing interest rates and I loved our house.

There also details every year of business plans that failed too. IT is almost a diary of failures as much as success. I seem to thkn each one will make us a fortune. there was Sophie's Wedding services - sold one item which didn't cover the advert cost. Then Eagle Blades Publishing - expensive advertisement not a single order. Time after time after time failure heaped on failure.

MsLumley · 14/11/2018 14:14

I don't feel that I deserve a high salary because what I do brings no benefit to anyone other than making the fat cats that run my company even fatter. There is nothing like enough value put on teachers, nurses, police etc.

I've had my time with financial struggles and it made life thoroughly miserable. To me, money brings you the luxuries of choice and security and those things make life a lot easier.

Gardengirl33 · 14/11/2018 16:31

I'm 38, work in local government as a chartered landscape architect. Its rewarding, with design and people/community focus. I also work on planning applications to help preserve landscape and ecology. Spent 6 years in higher education/uni/post grad. First job in 2002 was £13k, now a principal so earn 43k. Local authority so 32+ days annual leave, plus flexi leave, flexible working, mat leave, pension. Lovely place. It's a good wage for a rewarding experience. I know I'd earn more in private practice but hours longer, less flexible, plus here I'm working for the public which matters to me. My partner took a paycut as not happy at his job, was glad I could support him to be happier. I think I earn about right, I try to watch my £s as my parents went thru bad times in the 90s. Try to teach my son the value of a job you love x

RubyWho · 14/11/2018 18:03

Okay, adding more detail.
I’m 33, and I’ve worked my way up from the bottom. I started in HE admin in a junior role in 2008, on 15k. Wages didn’t go above 28k until about four years ago when everything took off and I started making an actual career out of what I do.
I work m-f, okay hours, wfh and flexitime if needed. If I was to go more senior, vice provost or vice chancellor, I’d be on 150-300k no doubt. Not sure if that’s what I want to do, but for now, I’m happy.
My job is directly related to my much hated degree and much hated now masters.

Wingbing · 14/11/2018 18:12

I work in IT within the NHS. I earn £44k which includes an on call allowance.

I’m very lucky as I have no formal qualifications beyond GCSEs and a few IT qualifications.

I love my job. I’m an excellent problem silver and very good in a crisis, which is helpful in my line of work.

Wingbing · 14/11/2018 18:13

Solver. Not silver. No one solves silver...

Boomah · 14/11/2018 18:34

15k, HCA, 12 hour shifts on Sundays for the enhancement and work 24 hours a week over three days. My job is okay, it pays the bills, but I've been here too long now and getting itchy feet. Don't see myself training in my department so it feels like a means to an end.

Frokni · 14/11/2018 19:00

I love this thread. Nice and honest. Glad i posted on it earlier as i like following people's opinions on money too. And yes, money buys security which, for most people, will equal happiness of some degree!

CoconutBlue · 14/11/2018 19:30

I’m 30, earn 43k as a senior social worker. Enjoy my job and the hours are fairly flexible

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