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Peter Tatchell excusing sex with kids

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Happypie · 09/11/2018 17:21

Peter Tatchell runs the Peter Tatchell Foundation that is currently seeking charitable status. He is also regularly consulted on LGBT issues.

I include a picture of a letter he wrote to the Guardian in the 90s about sex with children. It is deeply disgusting. A man who has these views about sex with kids should not be allowed to run anything.

Peter Tatchell excusing sex with kids
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NotaRealLawyer · 11/11/2018 13:44

All ok with you Gareth? Flowers There are other agendas going on also. Someone with a grudge against certain people in Unison probs. Sad to say, I'm so old, all of this seems like yesterday to me. Sometimes it comes in handy. Smile. Don't stop contributing to the thread.

Barracker · 11/11/2018 13:45

If had 'friends' who insisted that sex between adults and 9 year olds could be a consensual act bringing great joy to the 9 year old, my response would not be to declare, "fair point, seemed to do you no harm, let's not condemn ALL sex with adults and 9 year olds"

I'd be looking for the 9 year olds today that those adults were seeking to justify bringing great joy to.

I'd listen to what people are telling me about themselves.

Tatchell has had the most astonishing free pass for years on this. It's the shame of our society that we will overlook the truth about men who have rotten cores, if they can cover their grime with other 'good deeds'.

Tatchell's time is up.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/11/2018 14:01

this is beyond excuse and the fact that he's trying to justify it in the exact same way as PIE always did, here, tonight, makes me think he is, to be honest, dangerous

Since the tactic has been thoroughly busted by MN's incisive posters, that might also explain why "Peter" hasn't been back

There are some stances which are so indefensible that there's little point even trying - except perhaps by trying to claim the writer was misquoted or edited

It's not often I wish the Daily Mail would lift a thread from here, but with this one it might be no bad thing

arranfan · 11/11/2018 14:02

If had 'friends' who insisted that sex between adults and 9 year olds could be a consensual act bringing great joy to the 9 year old

And, if I claimed to have extensive experience with survivors of CSA, hence confirming my self-apotheosis as someone above reproach, I'd want to give an approximate assessment of how many people with (to me) that history of trauma can co through their lives and say, "yes, it was all fine and gave me a stable platform for future successful relationships".

If Tatchells says that we need to consider evidence, facts, and nuance - we still need some data so that we can separate out the complex trauma of so many individual testimonies and the overall picture. Presumably

However, I will say, that there are entire committee structures that are dedicated to considering clinical evidence within an ethical framework - this is based on a procedure known as procedural justice - so, it's possible. I'd just like Tatchell to give me an outline of the ethical framework within which he'd like adequate quality evidence to be considered,

GarethSouthgatesWaistcoat · 11/11/2018 14:09

NotaRealLawyer thank you for the Flowers!

I feel a bit daft for falling for it and muddying the thread. At least it's been cleared up now!

NotaRealLawyer · 11/11/2018 14:54

Peter Tatchell has a blue plaque on his house, because he's a SJW and apparently a National Treasure. (I can't do the link as it brings up the address - but it is in the public domain)

Most of these male SJW's piss in the same pot, especially in London, where they network themselves to a frenzy.

I've seen it so often. If you disagree with them and you are a women, they mansplain and turn nasty and gaslight. The veneer lifts.

The people I know, who were told as children, ( girls and boys), by their abusers, that: they were "enjoying it", have never ever expressed that feeling to me, as adults, when we have spoken about some terrible things.

Gay men, who were abused as children, have told me that they thought " they were like that" (gay) when young men, because of what some nonce did to them.

That messes with your head and ability to form genuine and loving relationships. For the rest of your life. Even if you learn that it was never your fault, and develop all the coping mechanisms, and appear to "thrive".

How do you claim to support survivors on one hand, Peter whilst also supporting "intergenerational sex" ( ffs) and the right of adult men to: grievously harm each other during an s and m session?

But you are an ok SJW bloke because you did a lot of good things. Angry

FekkoThePenguin · 11/11/2018 14:55

What's sjw?

Happypie · 11/11/2018 14:57

Social Justice Warrior

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FekkoThePenguin · 11/11/2018 14:59

Oh. I couldn't quite get the phrase 'full of righteous hot air' into it.

Lizzie48 · 11/11/2018 15:05

Thank you for posting this thread,OP. It's been helpful to be able to have a target for my own anger against my abusers, who are all dead apart from my brother, who was a victim as well and has serious MH issues.

And also thank you to all the posters who have shown solidarity with us.

As for you, Peter Tachell, you stay under the rock you crawled under now you've shown us your true colours. You're the one who's an Outrage! Angry

Strongmummy · 11/11/2018 15:24

@Peter thanks for your patronising response. I’d imagine 99.9%, nay 100% of the readers here understand the meaning of the world “impossible”. However what we find rather confusing is that you say paedophilia is impossible to condone then state that in some cultures inter generational sex is great and kids of 9-13 enjoyed sexual experiences with adults. Therefore you are condoning paedophilia. You are condoning adults preying on the vulnerability of children.

And just because you cite academics means nothing. The biggest cunts I’ve ever known have been academics

scepticalwoman · 11/11/2018 15:29

I note that PT is still digging. Reported in the Mail link above as saying that "for the vast majority of children, sex with adults is neither wanted nor joyful" The vast majority?????

So which minority of children does PT consider it's OK for them to have sex with adults?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/11/2018 15:30

Peter Tatchell has a blue plaque on his house, because he's a SJW and apparently a National Treasure

Please tell me you're being ironic? Confused

NotaRealLawyer · 11/11/2018 15:43

Here you go, Puzzledandpissedoff I found a BBC link.
Read all about it.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11440301

Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/11/2018 16:19

NotaRealLawyer

Dear god ... stop the world somebody, I want to get off Sad

Alaaya · 11/11/2018 16:29

www.petertatchell.net/lgbt_rights/age_of_consent/under-age-sex-statement-of-clarification/

This says that is was Derek Jarmen, a friend of PT's, who said he had become sexually active at the age of nine and believed it was a positive experience. Posted purely as people were asking about who PT might be referring to. Not posted in support.

arranfan · 11/11/2018 16:49

I'm dropping in this as an example of why precluding discussion and investigation can backfire:

The strategy, itself controversial, is meant to divert people before they offend, and requires universities to monitor students’ and academics’ access to material that could be considered extremist. The scheme has repeatedly come under fire since its remit was expanded by the coalition government in 2011. Critics argue that it has curtailed academic freedom by encouraging universities to cancel appearances by extremist speakers and for fostering a “policing culture” in higher education.

www.theguardian.com/education/2018/nov/11/reading-university-warns-danger-left-wing-essay

So, in the spirit and awareness of the dangers of #nodebate and #noplatforming, I think a number of people would welcome an on-point discussion with Peter Tatchell in which he can explain the nuance of his position.

My thought at the moment is:

There is no failure of comprehension. I do understand your perspective as you've explained it to date.

My perspective is that it is CSA.

Change my mind as to why we should pay attention to your calls for changes to the age of consent when we are continuing to deal with the scourge of peer-on-peer sexual assault and rape in schools. And, as a society, we're still failing to address trans-generational grooming and abuse of children. Children whom press report as Child sex workers who've opted for sex work as a lifestyle choice rather than Victims of CSA and rape.

Datun · 11/11/2018 18:05

Does it never occur to people like Tatchell that when he talks about sex with minors, it's utterly irrelevant what he claims 9 year olds think?

The only thing people are left with is why does he fucking care? Why on earth has he even got an opinion?

Mumfun · 11/11/2018 18:30

Peter Tatchell cites this document : www.petertatchell.net/lgbt_rights/age_of_consent/an-age-of-consent-of-14/

He says in it: 'Child sex abuse is wrong. Full stop. I do not, and never have, endorsed the sexual abuse of children by adults.'

But you have endorsed child sex abuse, Peter as we can see from the Guardian letter, your contribution to a paedophile apologist book and other evidence available in the public domain. So I think we can treat the whole of that document for the falsehood it is.

Like many others you dont want your lucrative sources of revenue to you to dry up . And you have compartmentalised your life: on one side you campaign for certain womens rights and you condemn child abuse. On the other you rail against feminists, show the most shocking misognyny and are at the very minimum a paedophile apologist!

Your condemnation of feminists trying to protect child safeguarding is disgusting!

NotaRealLawyer · 11/11/2018 18:33

Peter Tatchell is 66 years old. So WHY is this one of Peter's priorities?

Any parent here, been approached by their children, asking how they can have the age of consent lowered? No. I thought not.

PIE wanted the age of consent lowering to 4 years old.

IfNotNowThenWooOoOoo · 11/11/2018 18:34

Can I just point out that in the letter he says paedophilia may be impossible to condone. May be, not is.
It may well be, but doesn't stop him trying, does it? Creepy fucker.

arranfan · 11/11/2018 18:35

PIE wanted the age of consent lowering to 4 years old

Well, at least that sets the Overton Window for Mermaids' argument for bodily autonomy to be set at the age of 5.

FekkoThePenguin · 11/11/2018 18:35

'May be' may be?. Oh come on.

NotaRealLawyer · 11/11/2018 18:42

National Crime Agency/ CEOP www.thinkuknow.co.uk/14_plus/Need-advice/Sex-and-the-law/

"Sex between anyone who is under 16 is illegal. However, the law is in place to protect young people from sexual exploitation and abuse. The law is not intended to punish consensual (i.e. both people have given their consent) sexual activity between two young people of a similar age, as long as it does not involve abuse or exploitation.
Sex or any sexual activity between an adult and a young person aged under 16 is against the law in the UK and the adult will be held responsible for their actions. This applies to both men and women, whether they are of the same or the opposite sex of the young person and no matter what their cultural background is."

What is the problem with that Peter? ?
What do you want to change specifically?

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