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Peter Tatchell excusing sex with kids

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Happypie · 09/11/2018 17:21

Peter Tatchell runs the Peter Tatchell Foundation that is currently seeking charitable status. He is also regularly consulted on LGBT issues.

I include a picture of a letter he wrote to the Guardian in the 90s about sex with children. It is deeply disgusting. A man who has these views about sex with kids should not be allowed to run anything.

Peter Tatchell excusing sex with kids
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BigChocFrenzy · 11/11/2018 00:31

re "cultural differences":

Children of colour, children in developing countries, have just as much right not to be raped as white children in the West
It doesn't reduce the evil just because the rapist is of the same colour and race

Theperfectchangeling · 11/11/2018 00:31

Ugh, how grim. I feel Sick!

HeronLanyon · 11/11/2018 00:42

harold I agree with you re outing. I was thinking about his citizens arrests (mugabe etc) and protests in Russia.
Anyway this is all wrong.

HaroldsSocalledBluetits · 11/11/2018 00:53

I think he's a good self publicist who likes to make a splash. Sometimes he'll come down on the right side (eg Mugabe, although that's a no brainer and I don't know how much good it actually did apart from let us all know that he doesn't like the man). But this is beyond excuse and the fact that he's trying to justify it in the exact same way as PIE always did, here, tonight, makes me think he is, to be honest, dangerous.

HeronLanyon · 11/11/2018 01:07

I agree.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 11/11/2018 01:19

Eh? Where have I said that all men are not to be trusted with children. That's a preposterous conclusion to make.

My ref to NAMALT was merely to highlight the ridiculousness of your inclusion of Myra Hindley/Rose West in the discussion we are having here which is essentially about PT and his ok-ing sex of 9-13 year olds with adults. Imo it has no place here on this thread because I see you in my head waving your hands and saying NAMALT what about the women? They abuse children too doncha know.

I think you've got your wires crossed. Nobody here isn't for safeguarding children across the board.

Apologies for not stating things more clearly and for any unintentional offence, @PipGoesPop, I was referring to several PPs who, shall we say, somewhat disagreed with what I had written and I quoted you intending to convey the (then) conclusion of the mini side-thread of dissenters.

It was actually @LucilleBluth who wrote ”This is why women have to remain the gatekeepers to children.” and that is what my original reply was sparked by.

I don't dispute that the vast majority of child physical & sexual abusers are men, but I am equally aware that the vast majority of men are NOT child abusers.

The implied knee-jerk suggestion that men cannot and should not be trusted with the care and safety of children, if taken to its logical conclusion, would have a number of negative effects.

Many kind, patient men with a natural affinity for relating to and working with children would be summarily denied the opportunity to use their skills, just because they happen to be male.

This then gives the clear message to children (some of whom may not have (m)any male role models) that looking after and teaching youngsters is something that only females can do, and therefore must feel duty-bound to take all responsibility for; whilst the conscientious men are ordered out and the less-than-conscientious men are given clear justification for doing nothing. Those who DO have good fathers might also come to understand that, however kind and loving their father is, if he is male (which most are), then he should be kept at a distance and not trusted, whilst mum is expected to do absolutely everything for and with them.

This would also reinforce the opinion of a great many prejudiced but influential people (mainly men) that there are men's jobs and women's jobs and that equal opportunities for all was a calamitous mistake and must now be urgently reversed.

Women are then given the clear message that traditional men's jobs are not for them. CEO of a successful company?! YOU: a woman?! As if!!!! They should be at home all the time and dealing with absolutely everything to do with the children for whose conception they were only 50% responsible.

And when it comes to the value and subsequent levels of pay that are accorded to men's and women's jobs, I think we all know only too well how that invariably goes.

If men aren't to be trusted working with or caring for children then maybe it follows that woman can't be trusted with anything ELSE???

Of course, we have safeguarding procedures and checks which must remain mandatory and be strictly enforced for all adults working with children - that's a very clear given.

agnurse · 11/11/2018 01:28

There are weirdos out there with all kinds of fetishes and bizarre sexual preferences. Sadly there are weirdos who believe that because same sex marriage was legalized the next step should be legalizing adult/child sex. There are even weirdos whose greatest desire is to be killed and eaten and weirdos whose greatest desire is to oblige them. (You can Google the Armin Meiwes case if you don't believe me.)

Sadly there are people who believe that if two people consent to anything it should be legal.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/11/2018 01:35

What 2 or more adults consent to is a separate matter

However, a child cannot consent to sex
Some very evil adults have been trying for years to remove safeguards and lower barriers that hinder them from accessing & abusing children

I also remember PIE from the 1970s, when I was at uni
I thought they'd long died out
I hadn't realised they are merely hidden and metastised within the body politic

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 11/11/2018 01:36

Incidentally, anybody who hasn't ever heard of NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association) will be in for a shock to learn about them and their beliefs. They're clearly there, not hidden at all, on their extensive website. Utterly, utterly disgusting, but simply pretending that people with views like this and a measure of influence don't exist doesn't help anybody or anything.

Like with Tatchell's letter, It all seems to centre around a desperation to make us 'understand' that 'the children WANT it, they LIKE it, it's their CHOICE and to dissuade it in any way is to upset them and take away their rights'. Evil, abhorrent beliefs. We actively deny children their 'rights' to run into traffic, to go to bed at 2am, to eat nothing but Haribo, to spend all day on the PS4 instead of going to school. This is BECAUSE they are children and we are adults. They don't know what's best for them; we do.

Of course, they have a number of basic rights - and the right to be freely subjected to rape by adults, even if those vile adults manage to gaslight them into thinking that they are somehow consenting to their abuse, is categorically NOT one of them.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 11/11/2018 01:55

A lot of people were quite open about condoning/advancing this wicked belief in the 70s, but they mostly went undercover to a degree; although, as Tatchell's letter shows, they never properly went away.

As recently as 2003, Germaine Greer published a book called 'The Beautiful Boy', which featured naked photos (at least one without the subject's permission) and discussions about the artistic merits of boys of a wide range of ages. Many believe it to be art, but, let's just say that, the kind of people that Tatchell is talking about would quite likely be very interested in owning a copy.

The BBC came over all suddenly shocked and outraged when Savile's evil crimes were publicly acknowledged after his death, but it was no secret within the corporation. A number of people there (including some household names - one highly-acclaimed for her work in child protection) are on record as asking when somebody was going to expose him, but they either knew which side their bread was buttered and didn't want to risk their privileged livelihoods or were simply too frightened of the potential repercussions if they spoke out. He had some very powerful close friends, including royalty and a PM.

cometoawall · 11/11/2018 07:25

FairNotFair - you've hit the nail squarely on the head:

*So it's utterly unacceptable and transphobic to debate transgenderism, but the question of adults having sex with children is so terribly subtle and nuanced that Peter can't bear to see it shut down?

Surely it can't be because the people who want to discuss transgenderism and the effects and impact of Self-ID are women, could it?*

I don't think this is fair. Peter T has been attacked by trans activists for condemning the non-platforming of women who are GC. He might not agree with GC arguments but he does think those arguments should be able to be made.

scepticalwoman · 11/11/2018 07:33

Tatchell is one of a long line of people who has published material encourages the erosion of children's boundaries. We are seeing a wholesale attack on the concept of childhood and consent. Certain organisations are (very successfully) pushing their particular ideology and beliefs 'in plain sight' in schools, to the extent that even the very youngest of children have age - inappropriate concepts presented to them.
These organisations have no qualms about telling children that the use of life altering drugs to "change sex" is a positive thing. Teachers are told to keep the confidences of gender non conforming children. Organisations tell schools they must have policies that undermine a child's right to consent to being undressed in front of the opposite sex. And perhaps most dangerous of all, these groups say that parents may not be the best people to support a transing child and that parents should not necessarily be told - thus removing from the child from their family and halting the ability of a parent to protect their child.

It is so chilling that this is currently happening - and these people, including Tatchell, present women as the problem and transphobic.

Well, hell will freeze over before women are silenced by the bullying and intimidation. "Inter generational sex" is child abuse. Children are too young to consent to making decisions about changing their bodies, their sex or having relationships with adults.

We see the whole dangerous and corrupt lot of you.

Rachelover40 · 11/11/2018 07:36

I can't read it, am not sorry I can't read it because I have a low threshold for anything like that but I remember hearing something about it and what he actually said was not quite the same as reported. So I am on the fence with that one. I doubt very much he would have so many good supporters if he advocated paedophilia. Same goes for Harriet Harman, there were people around who believed the PIE had a right to free speech, you know how it's said that we may not agree with someone but will defend their right to say it sorta thing.

HeronLanyon · 11/11/2018 07:40

scepticalwomanagree with every word.

gendercritter · 11/11/2018 07:49

Good, well meaning people were bamboozled by activists like PIE into supporting horrific things.

I just don't think there is any excuse. This week I have seen 2 kind, gentle, decent friends of mine speak up and say they are appalled by gc feminists. They have strongly implied we're bigots and are killing vulnerable people. I am losing my patience with people who are so easily bamboozled. There are enough people out there calmly and clearly stating the gc position - this mess has come about from wilful refusal to read what people are writing and placing one's ego above anything else, because some people so badly want to be seen as inclusive and nice rather than critically engage with the facts and the unpleasant truth. I've been told this week I'm being exclusive to poor penis owners, never mind that I have experienced abuse and my feelings - my fears and vulnerabilities as a disabled woman - should matter in society.

Harriet Harman is a clever woman. There is no excuse.

gendercritter · 11/11/2018 07:50

Rachel I can appreciate you don't want to read certain things but really honestly you can't defend him if you haven't read what he's written. It's there in black and white that he thinks sex can be beneficial for 9 year old children.

RadicalFern · 11/11/2018 08:04

Don't expect any meaningful reply from PT. On Twitter he doesn't reply properly to anyone, it's a copy-paste fest.

CisMyArse · 11/11/2018 08:08

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NotaRealLawyer · 11/11/2018 08:24

I don't recall Peter Tatchell ever being invited to any TUC affiliated Trades Union LGBTQ educational schools.

The ones I have been involved with, (over many years) it has been the older gay men, who have said that they did not find it appropriate for him to be involved.

Lizzie48 · 11/11/2018 08:48

Well, quite. There's no such thing as "consenting inter-generational sex". If an adult engages in sexual activity with a child, it's abuse.

Quite. Most child abusers are closely involved in the lives of their victims, only too often fathers/stepfathers. Children are taught to obey their parents. That isn't consent, how horrible.

Lizzie48 · 11/11/2018 08:53

Oh no. Peter tatchell has done so much good and i have always admired quite a bit about him. This is just all wrong.

This is no defence at all. Jimmy Saville was praised during his lifetime for raising money for charity and was eulogised in the weeks following his death before the truth came out.

HeronLanyon · 11/11/2018 09:00

I was the poster who said that. It wasn’t a defence. It was a lament.

Lizzie48 · 11/11/2018 09:08

I apologise, @HeronLanyon I'm that case, I thoroughly agree with you.

HeronLanyon · 11/11/2018 09:11

No need for apol! I felt so upset and disgusted I was hesitant even to mention previous admiration for some stuff !!

Desecratedcoconut · 11/11/2018 09:43

'Consenting inter-generational sex?'

Even the women who agree the sky is blue to defend hurt feelings will hold the line on this hallmark gloss to obscure child rape.

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