Peter Tatchell excusing sex with kids

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Peter Tatchell runs the Peter Tatchell Foundation that is currently seeking charitable status. He is also regularly consulted on LGBT issues.

I include a picture of a letter he wrote to the Guardian in the 90s about sex with children. It is deeply disgusting. A man who has these views about sex with kids should not be allowed to run anything.

How do people like this Tatchell freak actually become influential that anyone is interested in their opinion anyway?

Funnily enough, he was the first person who I became aware of the gay rights movement through. My Mum told me about him during an election campaign in the early 80s when he was extremely badly treated, he was far left and she didn't agree with his politics, but he wasn't attacked for his politics, he was attacked (sometimes physically) for being gay. It was quite a watershed because even many of his political opponents were appalled at his treatment too.

He's done some very brave things and has rejected cultural relativism on gay issues, for example within Islam, Africa, Russia.

But IMO the fact that he can clear sightedly reject cultural relativism when it comes to gay issues but hides behind it and endorses it when it comes to Paedophilia makes his position far, far worse.

FairNotFair - you've hit the nail squarely on the head:

So it's utterly unacceptable and transphobic to debate transgenderism, but the question of adults having sex with children is so terribly subtle and nuanced that Peter can't bear to see it shut down?

Surely it can't be because the people who want to discuss transgenderism and the effects and impact of Self-ID are women, could it?.

All about the men, eh Peter? As always.

Peter, you are a pedophilia apologist. You cannot backpedal and try to spew a more consensual rhetoric, it is too late.
We see you Peter, we know what you are, what you may have done. We know your face, and your ideas. It is really too late.

I'm a long term supporter of this charity supporting adults abused in childhood @PeterTatchell
napac.org.uk/

I am a survivor of childhood abuse, by adult males. My friend, as a young teenager, was gang raped every Saturday night, for several years by adult males. I found your letter comments horrific.
If you were misquoted, then what steps did you take to restore your reputation at the time? Surely you would have done this?

NAPAC's amazing staff and volunteers support many survivors, the majority of whom, were abused in childhood by adult males.

You say that you have done a lot for survivors.
Do you have a good alliance with NAPAC Peter?
If not, why not?
If so, then what have you done to actively support them?

Thank you

But IMO the fact that he can clear sightedly reject cultural relativism when it comes to gay issues but hides behind it and endorses it when it comes to Paedophilia makes his position far, far worse.

This. This is what will bring Peter Tatchell down.

inter-generational sex

Dear god.

Are you going to engage with us Peter?

Peter is frantically backpedalling. He hopes that if he muddies the waters enough, his cheerleaders will step in and this will all be buried under an avalanche of supportive tweets.

Peter knows that his comments were - and are - indefensible. Just like he knows that his current justification of arguing for open debate is a load of old bollocks.

Peter is a paedophile apologist.

inter-generational sex - such a wonderful euphemism isn't it? Dear God indeed Datun.

That mad doctor who dodges women tweeted something very similar recently- I think quite a few people hide behind cultural relativism.

Screenshot of that exchange between Drs Jessen and Harrop.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3245071-To-be-disgusted-that-Dr-Christian-Jessen-considers-some-kinds-of-child-rape-to-be-morally-excusable-on-cultural-grounds#prettyPhoto

Offences against children under 13 (sections 5 - 8)
Introduction
Sections 5-8 apply the main non-consensual offences to children under 13, except that consent in these offences is irrelevant. A child under 13 does not, under any circumstances, have the legal capacity to consent to any form of sexual activity.

www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/rape-and-sexual-offences-chapter-2-sexual-offences-act-2003-principal-offences-and

Part of what pisses me off about this is that these men think women don't see it. They must think we're stupid.

As soon as we read it, we see it, mate.

And the DARVO yesterday peter, eh?

Trying to get the attention away from your championing child abuse, by blaming white women for not supporting other women properly, pretending that you are fighting for our rights?

Go fuck yourself, you odious little nonce.

If anyone wants to read the chapter that Tatchell contributed to a book on paedophilia, there are some relevant links in the OP of this thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3419275-Paedophile-Apologist-Book-including-chapter-by-Peter-Tatchell?msgid=82482233#82482233

Sincere warning, if you follow some of the links there, you'll be appalled at the history of what some people have done and the suspicions about Home Office funding of PIE...

He said he was talking about consensual sex between minors - a lie
He said he didn't know what the book that he contributed a chapter to was about - a lie
He said that he didn't name his friend who allegedly told Tatchell that having sex with an adult as a 9 year old was something he consented to and enjoyed - a lie.

This man is a duplicitous lying toad. He has always only cared about men's human rights - never women's, never children's. And now his disgusting apologies for paedophilia are being aired. Good. It's about time. He fucked with the wrong women.

Re that Jessen link, I do like the way he describes someone slavishly agreeing with him 'critical thinking'. What a cock.

Great post, OrchidInTheSun.

And yes, DTSMUMBOJO I remember thinking exactly the same when those two dudebros were tweeting that vile shit! So self-congratulatory and up themselves.

Someone upthread (sorry, can't remember who) said something I just want to second:
Fuck off Tatch.

We see you Peter

PeterTachell has your letter been edited in such a way as to make it say the opposite to your actual beliefs, you would have insisted on it being corrected and had they not you would have taken legal action against them.

You are lying.

You are a dangerous man.

We fucking see you, pal.

I have a friend who was raped earlier than at the age of 9. She says she enjoyed aspects of her abuse. She got physical pleasure from it sometimes. She felt very special because of it. I know a large part of her very complex suffering as an adult is struggling to forgive herself as a child for enjoying something which was also very wrong. It is enormously hard for her to come to terms with all those complex feelings and her guilt and shame and my heart breaks for her. So I can believe someone who says they might have 'enjoyed' their abuse as a 9 year old child simply because people can be so exceptionally clever about grooming young children and twisting the reality of what is happening. It must be very hard to step away from thinking you 'enjoyed' it because then you have to come to terms with the enormity of what has been done to you. Some people will persist in thinking they weren't abused at all as children or young people because they would fall apart to acknowledge otherwise.

I hope I have communicated what I'm trying to say effectively. Basically people will say all sorts and the desire to protect oneself from reality can be very strong but no way would should 9 year olds be sexually active and it is always always harmful to be abused.

This is why women have to remain the gatekeepers to children.

People like Vanessa George, Myra Hindley, Rose West and Beverley Allitt, do you mean?

How about we just have due safeguarding for all children and keep proven abusers locked up and well away from children for the rest of their lives? Turning this into a female=good/male=bad issue helps nobody.

Although obviously not actively the ones in the vulnerable position, the vast majority of normal men are just as opposed as women to what the TRAs and other apologists are trying to achieve and really aren't in any way seeking to gain access women's toilets and changing rooms; and, believe it or not, most men do actually care about children's well-being and preventing them from abuse too.

The only appropriate action on discovering that a friend was having sex with a 9 - 13 year old would be to call the police.

I'd love to see the shit hit the fan regarding this and the many high-ups who have condoned, and taken part, in these awful abuses.

women do it too

Fuck off

Very well said gendercritter and I think you highlight a very important point about grooming and how manipulative it is.

Your poor friend.

3rding Fuck off Tash