I was told off by a work colleague

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i have been at my current job since June, the person concerned has been there longer than me. He is the accounts guy, not my manager and I do not need to answer to him at all.

He works downstairs and me upstairs but you can see my desk if you walk round the corner from downstairs as I'm at the top of the stairs.

I work as admin so people sometimes ask me to type up stuff for them ect, which is no issues. I was hired to do the project manager and ICT persons admin.

so this particular person I have never had issues with and had a good relationship with until today.

He ask me to type up some stuff and I ask when does he need it by which he says "its not urgent, like 2-3 days I don't need it today" he gave me this work around 3pm

so everyone has left the office and it is just me and him (we are a small team of around 8) he walks pass the stairs (at the bottom of the stairs) once and sees me on my phone, he then does it again to go loo then when he is back turns around and says to me...

"I will appreciate if you do what I told you to do and not play on your phone"
I said I am doing it which he said "no youre not" and I said you told me it wasn't urgent which he said "that's not the point you don't just sit there on your phone"

I was very shocked by his attitude, as stated he is NOT my manager or of any authority to me.

He didn't even come upstairs to see if I had done anything since giving it to me so I made a point to finish it all and put it on his desk before the end of the day at 5pm.

I then left and I did slam the door and ignore him when he said bye to me.

do you think I am wrong at all?

He asked me to type up some stuff for him, which was fine

We should all deliver a good standard of work in our jobs whether we are a judge or a refuse collector. But most jobs are not professions.

No disrespect but I think you’re talking nonsense. A profession relates to different types of jobs. Professional is someone highly trained and educated specifically for their line of work. Either way, words evolve over time into a meaning accepted by most. Unprofessional is accepted as meaning work or behaviour not expected in a given profession being one of these words.

I’m only telling you guys what I do on my phone but work doesn’t know I’m messaging clients but they know I do hairdressing on the side

Superb drip feed to keep the pot boiling,:o and yes, this is entirely unprofessional. Worth a formal warning.

For those foaming about the use of "professional", Sb74 is spot on, its connotations have , quite rightly spread to a number of non-professional jobs. The mark of a profession in the strictest sense is the self-regulatory body, one which, for instance, teachers don't have in the UK. Indeed when I applied for a credit card at an Australian bank, teaching was not included as a profession, ranking as a skilled occupation.

No disrespect but I think you’re talking nonsense.

In the same spirit I'd say you were talking bollocks. No disrespect and all that

With disrespect I’m not talking bollocks.

He was right though wasn't he. You're paid to work not piss around on your phone. That wouldn't have been acceptable in my office.

when I applied for a credit card at an Australian bank, teaching was not included as a profession, ranking as a skilled occupation

I'm not sure whether teaching is a profession Echt'. Do you belong to a professional body from which you can be struck off like the medical or legal profession or accountancy?

Can you be struck off as a teacher by a professional body? Is there one? I'm genuinely asking?

Teaching seems to be like my job, journalism, which I know to be a trade. There's nothing wrong with that.

The mark of a profession in the strictest sense is the self-regulatory body, one which, for instance, teachers don't have in the UK

Don't have in England. Scotland has The General Teaching Council, to which we pay fees and are fully accountable to. They hear and report on tribunals and fitness to teach hearings, set the professional standards for various career points and manage the register of teachers. Wales and Northern Ireland also have a General Teaching Council.

With disrespect I’m not talking bollocks
Of course you are. You just wish you'd got it in first

So can you be struck off as a teacher in Scotland Lioness82?

Cross post @limited period only. I can't speak for NI or Wales, but in Scotland, yes. The GTCS sets standards and if you fail to meet them, you can be called to fitness to teach hearing. That panel can have you struck off. If you check on the GTCS website you'll see a list of hearings and results, as well as being able to search the current register.

Teaching is definitely a profession.
Most journalists are also considered to be professionals, rather than tradespeople even if it's not a profession from which you can be 'struck off'.
Obviously, when you're talking about 'being professional' it doesn't have anything to do with belonging to a profession and just means being serious about your job.

I'm not sure whether teaching is a profession Echt'. Do you belong to a professional body from which you can be struck off like the medical or legal profession or accountancy?

It isn't as I said in my post. Teachers can certainly be struck off, but it's not a body of teachers who do it, it's a government quango, the GTCE.

Similarly in Victoria, VIT registers and regulate teaching. They had pretensions to promote teaching but when it was pointed out they actually do nothing of the kind, they promptly dropped the claim. Can you tell I despise them?:o

Strictly speaking, a profession is an occupation for which you profess an oath. Or at least, it was up until around 100 years ago. Language has probably moved on since then.

"It isn't as I said in my post. "

No, I really don't agree with that. It's considered a profession by most people. I believe it's one of the jobs that people can have who witness your passport photo.
www.gov.uk/countersigning-passport-applications/accepted-occupations-for-countersignatories

(I do think there are some jobs on that list that we would not all consider to be professions).

www.theguardian.com/teacher-network/2012/jul/31/is-teaching-a-profession

No, I really don't agree with that. It's considered a profession by most people. I believe it's one of the jobs that people can have who witness your passport photo
www.gov.uk/countersigning-passport-applications/accepted-occupations-for-countersignatories

I can see what you mean by what most people think, but I stick by the self-regulatory aspect of the description of profession, and for that reason alone, consider teaching not to be a profession.

Here in Victoria it's even worse. I am so lowly that I cannot even sign a statutory declaration (a legal declaration of truth). A vet, solicitor's clerk or police officer can, but not me. If I'm off sick and don't go to the doctor's , and why would I at $80 a pop, I make a stat.dec, and have to go to police station to get it signed. [anger]

echt - teachers in state schools in the UK have to be qualified. You don't have to be a qualified journalist to work for a newspaper although as I've said, I don't think most people include journalists in tradespeople as a journalist claimed above.

Journalism is most definitely a trade, not a profession. That's not to say that we don't have standards.

But there is no organisation that can strike us off like exists for doctors, nurses (and other health care professionals), lawyers, accountants or others.

I was wondering whether teachers are the same. Can teachers be struck off?

I was wondering whether teachers are the same. Can teachers be struck off?

Teachers can be struck off, but not by a self-regulatory body of their peers, unlike doctors and nurses.

In Scotland, yes.

The GTCE may not have been made up of teachers and have been a quango. I don't know much about it I'm afraid.

From www.gtcs.org.uk
"The General Teaching Council for Scotland (GTCS) was one of the first teaching councils in the world when it was set up in 1965. In 2012, legislation passed by the Scottish Parliament made it the world's first independent, self-regulating body for teaching. The GTCS is governed by a Council made up of 19 elected teachers, 11 nominees from stakeholder groups and seven appointed lay members

No oath, but a code of conduct and professional requirement. A required minimum 4 years at university, evidence that you have met standards for initial registration during that time. A training year, during which you evidence that you have met the standards for provisional registration and can now meet the standards for registration. Standards for continued registration that need to be met from then on.

So yes, I can be struck off by an independent, self-regulatatory body. I am expected to adhere to a code of conduct, I am expected and required to engage in professional development and contribute to research and evidence bases. I am absolutely a member of a profession in a way that I wasn't as a member of the civil service (despite being told that we had a code on conduct so were a profession), or as an admin worker.

Teachers can be struck off, but not by a self-regulatory body of their peers, unlike doctors and nurses

But what does that mean?

Teachers can be struck off, but not by a self-regulatory body of their peers, unlike doctors and nurses

The body who strike off teachers are civil servant/gov. The GTCE was not set up by teachers but imposed on them. Teachers are regulated out the wazoo by people who are not teachers.

The professional bodies that govern doctors, lawyers, etc. are composed of their peers who make the rules.

"Journalism is most definitely a trade, not a profession."

Many people do consider it to be a profession though so I don't think you can just categorically state something as true.

I take your point about not being a 'regulated profession' though.
This is all completely irrelevant to the OP!