Transgender

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So, Iv been brought up Christian, not overly religious but do believe in god. BUT iv always been the person that says you can love who you want and be who you want, I will never judge you it is not my job to do that, being transgender wasn't really a thing when I was growing up but i was 'all for it' the kind of 'you do you' perspective and would support a friend/family member if need be.

Then I saw this on YouTube ( skip to 5.35)

Gigi gorgeous is someone I always looked up to and thought yeah she's an amazing WOMAN setting the path for transgender teens etc!!! Then I watch this video and find out she still has a penis that she ACTIVELY uses to have intercourse with her girlfriend and is trying to get her pregnant ???

AIBU to say you can't tell everyone your a flipping female and have struggled with the body you were born in all your life for you to then tell the whole world including young trans people that you still have and use your penis ?

I just can't wrap my head around this at all....

Meh. I have some quite serious concerns about transing children and the possibility of the GRA being abused by predatory men - but I can't get worked up about two consenting adults consummating their relationship however feels right to them...

Elephant why are you bringing intersex conditions into this discussion? Intersex people and groups have repeatedly requested that their conditions are not part of any trans debate. Why are you ignoring that?

Can I ask that posters not engage when intersex is dragged into these discussions?

I'm mentioning purely in relation to the comment that biology isn't negotiable. And not every condition included in the 1.7% is classed as intersex.

I'm not using it to come down either pro or anti trans.

Biology isn't black and white. No matter how many people say it is.

So much for "you do you"...

YABU.

Why is it your business what someone on another continent choses to do with their genitalia? And why do you even care?!

Why is it your business what someone on another continent choses to do with their genitalia? And why do you even care?!

There's a fairly easy answer to that one, ain't there.

OP, I can see what you're saying about Gigi having misled her viewers about whether she'd had surgery in the past, as she apologises for that in the video you posted. So I can see why you'd feel somewhat betrayed by a person you admired.

But she isn't parading her sex life in front of anyone in the video and if that's what you got from it, I'd say that's you very much making assumptions about what having a penis means for her and her sex life. Sex isn't the same for everyone and I think you're ascribing your own view of sex and relationships to her, which, let's face it, is based on your body and gender identity, not hers.

These threads always seem to descend into a general debate about science/general trans issues but your original worries about Gigi's sex life can be easily resolved by hitting the unsubscribe button on YouTube.

The way I see it, dress how you like but don't claim to be a woman when you are perfectly happy to live with a typical man's body

The way I see it, dress how you like but don't claim to be a woman when you are perfectly happy to live with a typical man's body

She can do and say what she likes. Disagree with her if you wish, but who are you to censor her?

I don't think it's censorship it's just not true. I could claim to be a giraffe but it doesn't make it true

What part of living as a woman includes fathering children?

How are trans people meant to have kids then, Chardonnay? Should they not be allowed?

FFS.

Well, surely because transewomen are women,then the way women do?

Or is it now possible for women to bear and to inseminate?

Well obviously they can't, so what then? Should they just not procreate? Be honest with us, you'd be very happy with that, wouldn't you?

I was just asking a question, that’s all.

I don’t care who procreates and how, but I care about it means to be a woman.

He’s a very pretty man with a hell of a lot of makeup on. Why isn’t that enough? Why does he/we have to pretend he’s a woman?
It’s so so conservative to believe that men are not allowed to wear makeup and look pretty. I thought it was GC feminists who were meant to be the conservatives?!

Why does he/we have to pretend he’s a woman?

Why do you care? Why is it any of your business?

Sorry, much of this thread is just petty intolerance.

bear what is your definition of the word 'woman'?

Because women need the language to be able to talk about ourselves, our biological reality and it's consequences. IMO men calling themselves women take this away from us.

bear what is your definition of the word 'woman'?

Spot the massive distraction technique; "We're being demonstrably intollerant are we? QUICK! Look over there!!"

Why do you care? Why is it any of your business?

It is the business of all biological men and women, who don't identify as 100% masculine or feminine, so most people in the world. People like him are perpetuating stereotypes that I've been trying to challenge my whole life. As a woman who doesn't identify with his over exaggerated femininity, he offends me. He would NOT offend me dressed and living and calling himself whatever he likes as a feminine man. I'd applaud him.

I've watched the video all the way through and I see a dim narcissist. I think people who watch it and can't see the harm must be equally dim.

I can try a thought experiment were I get body-swapped into a female body permanently, and also desire to have children. So I might use the parts I have if that is the only way to achieve this aim. It's no big deal to play with the hand you are dealt if there is no other way.

“Intersex people” rude in itself are males and females with disorders of sex development. They are not a sex class in and of themselves. Stop using them to prop up a shonky argument.

What I find most disturbing about that video aside from the pathological use of the word “literally” is the fact that an adult, who was very clear in their desire to have a family pre-transition and whom is very prominent in the trans community, so should be well informed, is so seemingly ignorant of the fact that four years of cross sex hormones as almost definitely rendered them infertile.

Are they feigning ignorance or is nobody actually making sure that people have informed consent before radically changing the function of their body because of a desire to change the aesthetic of their body?

bear what is your definition of the word 'woman'?

Adult human female. What's yours?

If someone else uses the word differently, and it makes them happy to (in words I'm sure you'd approve) pretend they're a woman, then I don't give two shiny shits.

I've said upthread that I have concerns about self-ID. But, to reiterate, this thread is sweet fuck all to do with self-ID, TRAs undermining feminism etc, or the usual MN tropes. It's just a pile-on against a trans person who dares to put her head above the parapet.

I don't suppose the OP was thinking about self ID. Many people are behind transwomen because they are told they have a very difficult life, that they are distressed over their bodies, to the point of suicide, etc. Playing on women's sympathy is prevalent.

So of course it comes as a shock to realise that the cohort transwomen includes transvestites, fetishists and cross dressers.

People's understanding and sympathy for men with gender dysphoria will often not extend to cross dressers and fetishists.

Very many people are under the impression that transwomen will not have a penis, or be distressed by it, be attracted to men and be incredibly distressed over their anatomy.

Realising this is often far from the case is a bit of a leveller.