Transgender

[idontunderstandxyz]

So, Iv been brought up Christian, not overly religious but do believe in god. BUT iv always been the person that says you can love who you want and be who you want, I will never judge you it is not my job to do that, being transgender wasn't really a thing when I was growing up but i was 'all for it' the kind of 'you do you' perspective and would support a friend/family member if need be.

Then I saw this on YouTube ( skip to 5.35)

Gigi gorgeous is someone I always looked up to and thought yeah she's an amazing WOMAN setting the path for transgender teens etc!!! Then I watch this video and find out she still has a penis that she ACTIVELY uses to have intercourse with her girlfriend and is trying to get her pregnant ???

AIBU to say you can't tell everyone your a flipping female and have struggled with the body you were born in all your life for you to then tell the whole world including young trans people that you still have and use your penis ?

I just can't wrap my head around this at all....

PLUS....if you have been trying to get pregnant for some time and failed, freezing eggs and sperm is not appropriate. Whats the point in freezing eggs/sperm that may not be viable

WHY freeze them at all, if you are actively trying to conceive NOW??

So it’s a straight couple where the man likes to look femme then.

I don't think so because the man appears to believe he's a woman with a penis.

A man who asserts that it is harder for men, emotionally, to deal with not being able to gestate babies (on account of being MALE and not having uteruses etc), than it is for infertile women. Even though the man is in possession of a fully functioning male reproductive system
😡😡😡

She is a transwoman, not a woman. Some transwomen have penises and that seems fairly normal. I actually think it's much better and healthier that she be happy with being a transwoman, than striving to be something she could never be.

titchy you're right.

Toomanyeggs I had a transwoman tell me on this forum that my infertility was less painful than theirs because at least I had a womb. This person had previously fathered children..

I couldn't watch much of that video, it was all me me me me me. What a pile of wank. And what on Earth is the proposed child supposed to think about it's father? Because however that person identifies, they will be the child's father.

Well at least it's not just me. Just pisses me of for people that actually have the surgery and go through the pain...

Welcome to MN op. Can I ask how you found us?

This isn't the Bermuda Triangle.

The problem is the language used.
The term transgender includes people with gender dysphoria, cross dressers, males who are sexually arises by the thought of having a female body etc.
The term transgender does not refer to people with gender dysphoria, they are just 1 subset.
Around 90% of natal males who call themselves 'trans' retain and use their penises for sexual gratification.

when they know they are a woman
do they have an innate love for housework? making sandwiches? And other shit that women are expected to do and enjoy?

Oh

Here we go again.

No it's not the Bermuda Triangle but first time posters talking about trans issues have a recent history of screen shotting and taking their agenda and information back to other places. I've been burned before, I'd rather not risk it.

I don’t think you understand transgender at all from your post. The entire premise as a trans woman is being a female with a penis. They can have girlfriends and use their penises. I believe people should have the freedom to have a penis and believe they are actually female.

The only part I don’t agree with is the post truth assertion that transmen are men and transwomen are women. I am a heterosexual woman and I won’t date a transman because they are not man.

Someone with true dysmorphia wouldn’t be ok even still having their penis let alone using it for procreation.

And what exactly do you know about it? Are you one of those, "if you were really depressed you'd be on drugs" types? Or, "if it actually hurt, you'd totally have risky surgery to fix it"? How about, "if you really had anxiety you wouldn't be able to drive a car". Ignorant fucking bull.

Newsflash: people are different and make different decisions regarding their own bodies and their mental health!

And what exactly do you know about it? Are you one of those, "if you were really depressed you'd be on drugs" types? Or, "if it actually hurt, you'd totally have risky surgery to fix it"? How about, "if you really had anxiety you wouldn't be able to drive a car". Ignorant fucking bull.
Maybe because people ABUSE medical conditions to excuse their bullshit.

Just pisses me of for people that actually have the surgery and go through the pain...

OP, I still don't understand why someone else's sex life bothers you so much.

Your posts read like you think the trans woman in question is a fraud, as if transwomen are only trans if they've had surgery. I don't know the stats but I understood that most trans people don't have surgery and will often therefore still have their original genitals.

I just don't understand why you're upset by what two consenting adults are doing with themselves behind closed doors.

This is probably the most ridiculous trans post I have seen on mumsnet.

I just don't understand why you're upset by what two consenting adults are doing with themselves behind closed doors
because they don't keep it private. They make it public and want to push it as "normal". So yes, I will have an opinion, and it is not positive.

@ShowOfHands it is not my first post! I changed my name as other posts are outing and I don't need abuse on other threads if people don't agree with me

Soooooo do we EXPECT trans people to introduce them self as 'Hi I'm Carl I'm a transgender male' on a first date ? Because you may take them home a few weeks later and they have a vagina ?

I clearly did not know the real definition of transgender, I thought it meant a person born in the wrong body Male wanting to be female and vise versa.

Like cross dresser a man or woman who like to dress to identify as the other gender??

Someone needs to put this stuff in a dictionary so I don't put my foot in it.

I actually do believe trans people should make the other person aware that they are trans before going on a date with them etc, though I find most put it on their dating profile anyway tbh. Even if a person is bisexual, I imagine some will not be interested in having romantic/sexual relations with a trans person. You should know the basics beforehand or on the first date at the latest (sex, gender, age) to avoid awkwardness and wasting people's time. Also because people deserve to know who they will be meeting.

But FishCanFly, if transwomen weren't open about having penises, the OP would have continued to believe that 'transwoman' means someone without a penis.

Whether you agree with what they do with their penis or not, I'd rather know that being a transwoman doesn't preclude someone from having a penis (especially from a dating perspective).

More than 90% of men who identify as women have a penis, idontunderstandxyz, and are fully equipped to use male facilities.

The two you describe may describe themselves as lesbians but they are in fact a straight couple. No one who is having sex which could result in pregnancy is homosexual.

Why are you so obsessed with another person’s genitals? Like to the point where it changes your whole view of them? I manage to go through my whole life without fixating on the fannies and penises of people I meet - as I expect most people do.

Stop being such a pervy weirdo.

No, I can entirely understand how OP feels. She feels ripped off, that she admired someone she believed gave young gender dysphoric people a role model and she's just discovered that the transwoman isnt struggling with dysphoria at all. It's cosplay.

Gigi Gorgeous isn't transsexual and all the assumptions the OP made were untrue. She understandably feels deceived.

Most people who ever think about it seem to assume someone like Gigi has had what people still call a "sex change operation". They certainly wouldn't envisage her trying to father a child.