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Am I right in being slightly annoyed?

270 replies

RottenTomatoes959 · 25/10/2018 09:29

For reference I am Irish living in Ireland.

I took DS to soft play over the weekend and got chatting to an English woman who was there with her DD.
Her DD starting having tantrum as 3 year olds tend to do and she starting laughing and joking with me over her throwing " a paddy".

Maybe she didn't understand the negative connotations of it but using this phrase to an Irish person in Ireland is a bit bloody stupid.

She ended up taking her DD and leaving so I didn't say anything but I wish I did.
Do I have right to be slightly annoyed by this?

OP posts:
OhDoGrowUp · 25/10/2018 17:27

Too boring?

SoftDay · 25/10/2018 17:28

A tired and emotional episode? Temosode for short?

IStandWithPosie · 25/10/2018 17:30

I think tantrum is a perfect word to describe a tantrum Confused is it not?

SoftDay · 25/10/2018 17:31

Stop your noisin' and sodein' there, ya little fecker.

BertrandRussell · 25/10/2018 17:32

"We need some new names for tantrum, any suggestions?"
Had you considered "tantrum"?

"Tired and emotional" colloquially means drunk, by the way.

SoftDay · 25/10/2018 17:33

I'm trying to make fetch - sorry, sodeing - a thing here, IStand. Don't be all literally violent on my aspirations.

SoftDay · 25/10/2018 17:35

""Tired and emotional" colloquially means drunk, by the way.". Ah I know, Bertrand. I like to expand the bandwidth of its meaning though to denote a generally stroppy sort of vibe. I am not teetotal-exclusive.

twiglet · 25/10/2018 17:37

I had never thought of the meaning of it or that it was offensive and embarrassed to say I've used the phrase with friends to say why are you having such a paddy! Blush I just assumed it meant tantrum!

OP they may not have known the connotation I certainly didn't until this thread! Maybe if you see them again just explain it's actually an offensive term.

IStandWithPosie · 25/10/2018 17:40

Don't be all literally violent on my aspirations.

Grin
Lizzie48 · 25/10/2018 17:43

I've heard that word used for tantrum so many times; I never even thought about there being an anti Irish aspect to it. Not until I learned about that on MN. It would have been a good idea to challenge this lady about it, OP, chances are she didn't know that she was being offensive and she will continue to unknowingly upset people. I would want to know if I said something that was offensive to another person without realising it.

Ifailed · 25/10/2018 18:06

"Tired and emotional" is from Private Eye, similar to "Ugandan discussions", dreamt up in the 1970s to avoid libel issues.

As to all the people innocently claiming that they had no idea that 'paddy' had anything to do with derogatory remarks about the Irish, maybe a chance to educate yourself?

LivLemler · 25/10/2018 18:32

SoftDay has kindly saved me a lot of typing by expressing my views more eloquently than I could!

Irish, lived all my life in Dublin and Belfast, never heard the phrase until I joined MN and saw it casually used in a post and my jaw literally dropped.

I think if it really was commonly used and accepted, I would've come across it in British tv shows. I always think the fact that it isn't common on tv speaks to it being offensive.

Schuyler · 25/10/2018 19:25

YANBU but in future, do mention it. Many people are understanding if you kindly call them out on things they say, especially if they didn’t realise it was offensive, and will apologise and change their ways. I don’t understand why some people keep trying to defend their use of a word with offensive connotations. I genuinely did not make the association until I was told. I apologised and educated myself. I no longer use the term. It seems simple enough to me.

nokidshere · 25/10/2018 20:41

Somebody will always be offended. It doesn't matter what terminology we use.

And in the real world there really is only two kinds of people. Those that are nice and those that are not.

Those that are nice will be mindful of what language they use and modify their words depending on who they are speaking to. Those that aren't nice won't care anyway.

nokidshere · 25/10/2018 20:42

and will apologise and change their ways

They will apologise and not use it again in your company. Which is not the same as changing their ways.

Bibijayne · 25/10/2018 20:45

YANBU

I just think so many people don't realise the origin of the phrase. If they did, most would not use it.

IStandWithPosie · 25/10/2018 20:51

Somebody will always be offended. It doesn't matter what terminology we use.

Not true. Who would be offended by “he had a tantrum”?

Tomatoesrock · 25/10/2018 20:56

I am glad for all the issues highlighted on MN. I have learnt so much, It makes the world a nicer place.

As a pp mentioned above "That is a bit Irish" was a phrase she heard often but not made a connection till today.

It is great we can learn from each other, Sure it's all great craic Flowers

nokidshere · 25/10/2018 23:06

Somebody will always be offended. It doesn't matter what terminology we use.

Not true. Who would be offended by “he had a tantrum”?

I meant by something. Not just by this particular phrase. There will always be some language which offends somebody somewhere.

sashh · 26/10/2018 05:37

*having a paddy comes from the 19th century 'paddywhack', which was used to imply Irish men were given to fighting. In that respect it is offensive.8

i though 'paddywhack' was part of a horse.

As in, "this old man, he played one..."

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