to be thrilled that not one anti-trans activist was voted onto my school board

[ItLooksABitOff]

In spite of the best efforts of some on MN and various right-wing Christians.

AIBU?

[FermatsTheorem]

(Incidentally, I have read the relevant parts of both acts, which is why I think Blanche is talking shite - but it seems to be quite a common tactic these days from TRAs. Pretend that the legislation is how you would already like it to be, and tell people that the protections they think they have don't exist, and that various actions are "illegal" when in fact they are perfectly legal.)

[Ihaventgottimeforthis]

Point 16 in the Equalities Commission response to the consultation sums it up quite neatly:
^16. The exceptions permitting different treatment on the basis of
gender reassignment in the EA 2010 (for example the exceptions
related to single-sex services and associations) do not hinge on
whether or not an individual has a GRC. Any use of the exceptions
permitting different treatment must be objectively justified, meaning
that it must be a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim,
and will therefore depend on the particular circumstances. While an
individual’s possession, or not, of a GRC may be part of the
evidence a court would consider in a gender reassignment
discrimination case, it is unlikely to be a determining factor^

www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/consultation-response-gender-recognition-act-18-october-2018.pdf

[Ihaventgottimeforthis]

So for example (and one that is pertinent to my concerns) a sports club that only had single-sex communal changing rooms, showers & baths (as many old outdated rural facilities do) could well argue that segregation by sex was justified & proportionate, hopefully if they could also somehow provide a gender neutral space as well for people who wish to make use of it.

[TigerDrankAllTheWaterInTheTap]

I've seen quite a number of transactivists claiming that trans women have been using women's bathrooms and changing rooms for a long time and women haven't even realised. The invariable response is that we have, we've just been polite about it and turned a blind eye, not least because the people concerned are usually transsexuals who've had surgery and are doing their best to fit in. There's quite a difference between people like that and the charming Travis who insisted on using the women's changing room in Topshop because of their nonbinary ID.

As for the point of right-wing people and gender critical people agreeing on some points, here's a useful cartoon I saw on Twitter recently.

[FekkoTheLawyer]

'Haven't realised'. Sorry but we have.

[CharlesChickens]

“Bathrooms” like “folk” being one of the markers of the bonkers...
Canadians on here now eh ? We must be doing something right. Don’t they find it a bit baffling, with all the naice ham, and Birds Eye, and Zoflora ?
Sad really, Canadians used to be the more sensible ones. But in the words of Ms Berns, their minds have opened up so much, their brains have fallen out.
I wonder why so many adult men are so keen for children to be considered able to consent to things like transgenderism ?

[CaptainKirksSpookyghost]

And black pudding guv'ner.

[CharlesChickens]

Op wouldn’t it be better to get your schools over there to stop transing children and sort out ridiculous , constricting gender stereotypes instead? Do you not realise how regressive and homophobic transgenderism is ?
We are the country of Bowie and Bolan. We are far less conservative and far less keen on gender boxes than over the pond.

[QuietContraryMary]

Since I seriously doubt even 1% of MN knows what the fuck OP is talking about, I did a Google.

Apparently British Columbia introduced a new 'Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity' curriculum

bc.sogieducation.org/sogi3/

Some people were opposed to it. They are listed here

bcsogi.ca/background-stories/trustee-candidates-standing-against-sogi-123/

The results:
Chillwack - 3 of 5 anti-sogi candidates elected. 4 pro-sogi candidates also elected www.theprogress.com/municipal-election/chilliwack-school-board-voters-mostly-reject-anti-sogi-candidates/
Central Okanagan 1 of 2 anti-sogi candidates elected, 3 others
Abbotsford 2 of 5 elected out of 7 total.
Langley 0 of 2 elected
Surrey 0 of 3
Richmond 1 of 6 out of 7
Vancouver 0 of 4 out of 9
New Westminster 0 of 1
Burnaby 0 of 2
Coquitlam 0 of 1
Nanaimo Ladysmith 0 of 2
Campbell River 0 of 4
Gold Trail? Possibly 1 elected

I would like to point out that I don't know anything about this and there are zero threads about SOGI, good or bad, before the OP turned up here to crow.

So a bit odd all in all.

[CaptainKirksSpookyghost]

Meh, it gives pink news more screenshots.

[QuietContraryMary]

Best I can tell all the elected 'anti-SOGI' people are right-wing Christians. I don't know if there were any secular perspectives on this issue, but that's how it went down I think.

[Rebecca36]

Being as there are very few trans-people and trans-activists amongst the population, hardly surprising . Would be more surprising if there was one! I certainly don't encounter trans people very often in real life, why should you?

[titchy]

We MNers are good aren't we?

Apparently we've been able to ruffle some TRA feathers thousands of miles away, in only two previous threads mentioning SOGI - one which was six months ago!!!

Who knew a couple of mentions in passing on just two threads six months apart could be so effective!

[CaptainKirksSpookyghost]

What about in the non public section of the site twitchy, the section where small select groups of radfems do their plotting?

[QuietContraryMary]

Do you mean where we cast spells?

[CaptainKirksSpookyghost]

We cast doubts

[BlackShutters]

www.google.com/amp/s/culturallyboundgender.wordpress.com/2013/03/09/toward-an-end-to-appropriation-of-indigenous-two-spirit-people-in-trans-politics-the-relationship-between-third-gender-roles-and-patriarchy/amp/

Another view on Two Spirit. I think the woman (?) in that huffpost article should probably do a little more research.

[ShackUp]

This definitely happened.



[Ihuntmonsters]

I'm in BC. There has been very very little media coverage about the trans activist / anti transactivist views of candidates in the recent elections (which were for city mayors, city counsellors and school board members). The only thing I read was about the school board member in Chiliwack (a Vancouver suburb) who kicked up a fuss about SOGI a while ago and campaigned about it in the election. He was reelected.

School board elections attract very little interest unless there are very contentious local issues (SOGI is not a local issue, it's a provincial resource, local issues are things like a school being closed, retrofitting for earthquakes etc). I'm not sure about Chiliwack, but it's usually only around about 10% turnout.

Anyway while a few individuals who made it clear that they were against gender ideology were not elected, some were, and Morgane Ogier (transwoman) only got 2.5% of the vote in Vancouver.

For most people this is not a live issue. Changes were passed legally in the province some years ago, bill C16 (federal bill to include transgender as a protected characteristic) was very effectively kept quiet except for Jordan Peterson. Sports at school and university level has changed from single sex to single gender pretty much unnoticed(so far). The police still report accurately on the sex of offenders regardless of identity although I believe that prisons now put prisoners declaring 'female gender' in the female estate.

Every now and then you get media reports of things like the bloke who changed sex marker in order to get cheaper car insurance as a woman, but otherwise all was quiet.

[Mamaryllis]

There have always been Canadians on mn lol. Don’t you remember ‘I AM canadian’?
Nobody?

[Mamaryllis]

In any case, if you want proper east/west yarns, you need to compare Doug Ford’s curriculum changes.

[mathanxiety]

I do!

[Mamaryllis]

[mathanxiety]

It's really ironic that someone who asserts that identity is all that matters is trying to foist an identity other than their chosen one on people who do not share the trans view of how things should be.

If you're not with the trans agenda you are a bigot right wing fundamentalist/ kneejerk reactionary. Your own very nuanced political identity is denied.