to be thrilled that not one anti-trans activist was voted onto my school board

[ItLooksABitOff]

In spite of the best efforts of some on MN and various right-wing Christians.

AIBU?

[McTufty]

@itlooksabitoff

That depends on specifically what these people were doing and if they were genuinely anti-trans or just not completely capitulating to the trans lobby’s demand that trans women be uncritically treated identically to women.

If the former YANBU if the latter then YABVU.

[selfidentifyinggiraffe]

Did anyone on MN get asked or should they have been consulted on who gets voted onto a school board in Canada???

Also why would you be asking right wing Christians about your school board???

[ohello]

oh. seriously don't mean to contribute to a pile on. I have been wondering though, and of course needed someone who was... "anti woman".

[ItLooksABitOff]

@araiwa exactly. not to mention, our bunch wants secular schools to teach that life begins at conception and to force the school to respect their 'religious beliefs'.

The same bunch targeted our school district 6 years ago over acceptance of gay and lesbian children and families. Like Jordan Peterson, they're always looking for a wedge issue to bring people onto their side. This time it was trans people. Conservatives gotta conservative.

[MrsTerryPratchett]

Good job they kept those right wing christian out then as they are typically against all of that

Absolutely.

I'm fairly confused about why MNers would care about a local election on the far side of Canada that had a turnout of about a third of the people who actually live in the area.

I am concerned about young GNC lesbians in BC schools who are pressured into identifying as male. But any school board types who are anti-any children are pretty shit. What was their actual platform?

[ItLooksABitOff]

tabula - MN had a few threads on Morgane Oger and SOGI, the pro-trans policy adopted by the education ministy in BC. They seem to have been zapped now. There was definitely anti-trans activism effecting my community happening on this board. So yes, I'd say a UK board was involved in trying to influence Canadian local politics, supporting anti-SOGI demonstrators, hand-wringing about how the UK would be next. blah blah blah.

[OlennasWimple]

Bit of a strange post on a UK based forum but OK

As long as the board ensures that it retains all the legal protections and best practicing safeguarding for girls - such as not forcing them to share single sex spaces with male-bodied people

[Mamaryllis]

Giraffe - lots of upset about the controversial SOGI curriculum. Because of the way the law works here, most of the people who are able to speak out happen to be right wing Christian’s. Hence the stupidity of people like the op who immediately link an understanding of biology and a concern for women and girls to being far right. 🙄 It’s silly, but some people are quite hard of thinking!

[tabulahrasa]

“I'm fairly confused about why MNers would care about a local election on the far side of Canada”

I’m going with Russia interferes with American presidential election so mumsnet posters interfere with Canadian school board elections?...

Kind of makes some sense on that level, lol.

[ItLooksABitOff]

@MrsTerryPratchett I was as surprised as you were to see our local politics discussed here as part of a 'trans agenda' but hey the internet brings all kinds together I guess.

[selfidentifyinggiraffe]

@Mamaryllis 😉 I'm being a bit disingenuous to what I think is a bit of a batshit link... that a MN poster might be the ones involved to say "in your face bitches" to for a school board in Canada

[NoodleEatingPoodle]

Never heard of an anti-trans activist. Sounds terrible. What awful policies do they propose? Excluding kids from school if they say they're trans? Making them work and play in isolation or with poorer quality learning materials? Do they want other kids to bully and hurt them? Are they calling for trans teachers to be fired?

Please expand on what you mean by "anti-trans activists."

[ItLooksABitOff]

SOGI is only controversial if you are a bigot. HTH.

[MrsTerryPratchett]

OK had a little read around. The people you are talking about are not the type of people MNers for the most part agree with. They are homophobic, right-wing, 'Christian' people who want a bunch of nonsense taught in schools.

Do you actually think the feminists on MN think children should be taught, "We deny that the approval of homosexual immorality or transgenderism [sic] is simply a matter of moral indifference about which Christians can just agree to disagree.” Apart from the grammar, which would be pilloried, it's scary nonsense.

However SOGI says everyone has a gender identity, which is completely nonsensical too.

[penisbeakers]

EXCELLENT! 😎

[ItLooksABitOff]

Yes. I think some of them do. I got into a brief debate about this with a set of anti-SOGI MNers who did not care that RW Christians were leading the charge, because that was somehow 'irrelevant' to whatever they imagine their cause is. I pointed out the homophobic history of Kari SImpson et al - crickets.

Like I said, I was as surprised as anyone to see this on MN.

[Scrumplestiltskin]

It's so nice and progressive to groom young females to be used to males getting to look at their bodies when they're changing for sport or swimming, and to be used to males exposing their penises around them.
Or to be desensitised to changing and sleeping in the same spaces with them, on overnight trips/school camps.
So positive, to teach females that it's okay to have some males be around them when they're vulnerable or in intimate situations, without any extra safeguarding needed.
Breaking down all those (female) boundaries! Woo!

[PositivelyPERF]

So a bunch of people who believe in a mythical being didn’t get in, but a bunch of people who believe the myth, that people can change sex, did. Ok. Now I understand. Blimey. Those poor kids. Sounds like they’re going to be fucked il, either way.

[PositivelyPERF]

Be fucked up*

[Scrumplestiltskin]

The choices appear to be: People who believe females are private property, vs people who believe females are public property. The people who believe females aren't property at all, don't even get a look in

[Prestoli]

I am flying to Canada tonight to stop this unholy madness

[MrsTerryPratchett]

Calling people who disagree with you 'bigots' is how Canadian politics is going.

Bigots on one side, clueless on the other. It's just like the pipelines. One side screaming about the environment and how pipelines are killing everything. The other side screaming about the economy. Everyone ignoring that Canada relies on both its environment and its primary resources to prosper.

Wouldn't it be lovely to have an actual conversation about how to prevent gender stereotyping while supporting GNC children? Teaching about religion while respecting gay and lesbian children. Having vagina-women only shelters while making sure trans women also had shelters.

But people want to be right on more than they want to actually support real people. It's so depressing.

[ohello]

the thing about religion reminded me of something about the ancient greeks

I just don't believe that women have penises... How can a woman have a penis? If the definition of 'woman' includes 'people with penises then what do you call women who don't have penises? Eunuchs?

[mathanxiety]

Why were you surprised to see the trans agenda in Canada discussed here?

You clearly pricked up your ears and took note, and you're not in the UK.

Are trans activists doing different things in different countries and women should butt out of matters that are specific to certain local areas?

Do you not think that women have the right to to be concerned about women's and girls' rights all over the world?
Should we forget about supporting the rights everyone but the Right supports in North America? I bet you would welcome us with open arms if we were opposing the Canadian equivalent of Brett Kavanaugh.
Should we abandon all hope of stopping FGM?
Should we stop campaigning for women's rights in Saudi Arabia?

Should we know our place and stick to it, in other words?

[florenceheadache]

I’ll have to check who got in in Kamloops. Seemed to me like the biggest issue was portable classrooms and the population shifting into areas with little or no facilities.