to be thrilled that not one anti-trans activist was voted onto my school board

[ItLooksABitOff]

In spite of the best efforts of some on MN and various right-wing Christians.

AIBU?

[CaptainKirksSpookyghost]

It is important to them to have their gender legally recognised, even if it doesn’t lead to any additional rights.

But you want equal rights..... So which is it, will this be the same, or will it make transpeople "equal"?

[CaptainKirksSpookyghost]

The EA still has single sex exemption, in certain circumstances. You are wrong if you think otherwise.

[CaptainKirksSpookyghost]

What circumstances they are is gauge as fuck though I grant you that.

[RatUnholyRolyPoly]

Happy for you OP, keep the home fires burning in Canada!

[CaptainKirksSpookyghost]

The changes to the GRA will make this last bit of the EA which allows sex segregated spaces void.

[Blanchedupetitpois]

But you want equal rights..... So which is it, will this be the same, or will it make transpeople "equal"?

Trans people already have rights. They have a right to use the facilities of their acquired gender, regardless of whether they hold a GRC.

Separately, they have the right to apply for a GRC. Self-ID will make it easier to apply for a GRC and removes the requirement to obtain a medical diagnosis for a condition many trans people don’t have.

I don’t think this is complicated. Self-ID confers no new rights. It makes existing rights less bureaucratic and intrusive.

[dontalltalkatonce]

This is all really coming across as first world, navel-gazing, too much time on one's hands and over-privileged malaise. People cannot change their sex because they cannot change their genotype. Females don't have a penis or a Y-chromosome. Females have a right to challenge people with dicks in their spaces, that's not hateful, that's a human right of theirs. A tiny minority can hew and cry about how awful this is all they want, but hey, you can't change yourself into a unicorn, either, just because you want to.

[CaptainKirksSpookyghost]

I don't think for one second thousands of rapists are going to rush to get GRC's, but these changes need to be properly discussed and debated before changes are suggested.

[CaptainKirksSpookyghost]

They have a right to use the facilities of their acquired gender, regardless of whether they hold a GRC.

Once again the Equalities act allows sex segregation.

[Mamaryllis]

I read the other thread. Both threads seem to be the op of this thread giving it large about all sorts of randomness, so I’ll stick with the slightly more cohesive threads I think - and continue to campaign for girls and women’s rights that have been lost under C-16.

[Blanchedupetitpois]

The changes to the GRA will make this last bit of the EA which allows sex segregated spaces void.

It has been made abundantly clear that in some circumstances, segregating spaces by sex will still be possible (many sports, for example). There is no intention to change this.

I’m sorry to be rude but you are breathtakingly ill-informed on this issue and it’s pretty clear from your comments that you haven’t actually read what the current law is, or what the proposed changes actually are. This isn’t about you having a different opinion to me - it’s that you’ve stated facts that are clearly and provably incorrect. Don’t you think you owe it to yourself to read up on this properly?

[CaptainKirksSpookyghost]

Have you actually read the Equalities act?

[Blanchedupetitpois]

Once again the Equalities act allows sex segregation

Yes, it does. This does not include toilet and changing room.

This is easily accessible information you could google for yourself in the time it is taking you to post here.

[CaptainKirksSpookyghost]

It has been made abundantly clear that in some circumstances, segregating spaces by sex will still be possible (many sports, for example). There is no intention to change this.

No, it hasn't been made clear, it hasn't been discussed, it hasn't had any papers printed on it or outlined changes proposed.

Literally nothing has been put to the public.

[CaptainKirksSpookyghost]

This does not include toilet and changing room.

We have religious exemption which cover sex segregation In these spaces.

[Blanchedupetitpois]

No, it hasn't been made clear, it hasn't been discussed, it hasn't had any papers printed on it or outlined changes proposed.

Literally nothing has been put to the public.

Just because you haven’t read the information doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Educate yourself. You owe it to yourself to know what you’re talking about.

[Ihaventgottimeforthis]

We're talking about Canada here.
The OP is probably referring to some genuine anti-trans bigots - they do exist. Even if they are insinuating that everyone who doesn't agree that gender identity is more important than sex.

But re sport, as far as I can tell, is now divided along gender lines.
Which would have done wonders for my year playing women's rugby in BC. Not.

[CaptainKirksSpookyghost]

Just because you haven’t read the information doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

It doesn't exist, it certainly wasn't on stonewalls site or with the GRA consultation.

[Blanchedupetitpois]

I won’t argue with you anymore, it’s not worth my time when you’re as misinformed as you are. Like the majority of anti-trans activists on mumsnet you don’t even know the basic facts about the debate you’re having. You think you’re debating changes that have actually been in place for nearly a decade. It’s like being in a time warp. I can feel your shock and surprise as you realise how different the situation is from what you thought. It’s absolutely bizarre to witness.

[CaptainKirksSpookyghost]

It may have in Canada but in the UK nothing has been put forward.

The consultation's own documentation even stated it wouldn't be done until a later date.

[CaptainKirksSpookyghost]

rat
You are clued up on this, has anything regarding outline to the law actually been put forward regarding the GRA reform?

[titchy]

it was revealed that a paedophile got a GRC while in jail. So it doesn't gatekeep.

Fair enough. Maybe we should get rid of DBS checks as well seeing as they don't guarantee gatekeeping?

After all they are quite a tedious bit of red tape and have to be renewed on a regular basis. Thoughts?

[FermatsTheorem]

Yes, it does. This does not include toilet and changing room.

Blanche can you clarify what you are saying? Are you saying that, as currently written, the combination of the Equalities Act and the GRA mean that it is perfectly okay for someone to strip off next to me in the communal, open-plan, women's changing room at my gym revealing a penis, and this is legally fine? That my gym cannot currently, as UK legislation stands, say to that individual "I'm very sorry, but for the privacy and dignity of our female members, you cannot do this - you must use the men's changing rooms, or we will come to an arrangement finding you a third space if you would prefer."

Do you actually think this is what the law says?

Because my reading of the act is that it is one of the "proportionate" exemptions.

[CaptSkippy]

Let's be clear on this:

• YABU
  
• No, I am not a Christian. I am an athiest, but thanks for asking
  
• I am a radical feminist and socialist, not a right-wing conservative
  

-Jordan Peterson is a misogynist and homophobic twat

I don't agree with giving men in dresses access to female-only spaces. They are not female. period.

If all this that makes me a bigot in your eyes, well that is just too damn bad. I don't care.
You might want to quit making assumptions about people on this board, it makes you look naive.

[CaptainKirksSpookyghost]

it’s not worth my time when you’re as misinformed as you are. Like the majority of anti-trans activists on mumsnet you don’t even know the basic facts about the debate you’re having.

Could it be possible you are having the wrong debate, rather than everyone else?