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AIBU to be shocked and saddened by teachers feedback on DS's work and how can I help him manage his anxiety?

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InnerPeacer · 19/10/2018 20:28

So bit of background DS7 has always soared academically, but has always struggled socially and emotionally. He came on leaps and bounds last year but has really slipped back this half term - very negative about himself at home, and gets very angry about 'not doing things well enough'. We have discussed with school ASD but was advised he'd be unlikely to get a diagnosis...
So for parents evening his confidence and self esteem was my prime focus of discussion.
First sat down and immediately was told he is very bright, in all top sets etc. But the whole tone was just felt negative. Comments such as XXX doesn't listen, he doesn't conform, he's a loner (those actual words), he lacks confidence (almost said with contempt though). I was quite upset by the force of it, but when I asked about strategies to support him, was told he didn't need any he just needed to grow up. I was then left quite cross when I read his books, there were NO positive comments or feedback. It was either a green tick (I assume means good) or comments such as 'XXX, I expect much more of you', 'XXX, this is NOT good enough', 'XXX, you must do better'... no advice how to achieve these things, just those comments. I struggle to understand how this is seen as a good strategy to support a child who a) is identified as very bright but b) who is known in the school as anxious and highly self critical with suspected ASD.
There was this one bit which really upset me. A mostly nicely written page of a story where there were a couple of errors towards the end. The work got marked half way through and a couple of big red circles put around a couple of minor errors. DS had got so upset with the work that there was this massive angry cross through the whole work, really scribbled heavily with the hand. I asked about this incident. The ONLY comment from the teacher was that she pointed this out as an example where DS doesn't listen - because work should only have a single line through it if wrong. I said surely the focus here is a 7 year old is really so upset with his work which obviously took ages that he puts a huge angry cross through all of it. Nope she was just annoyed he didn't put a single line.
I just don't understand how a teacher can on one hand say he's very bright but confidence is an issue, and then not reflect on the type of feedback she gives the child. And this is the language we now have DS talking about himself at home, saying 'he's' not good enough', 'must do better', 'must try harder'.
I've been happy with school up till now and my other son is thriving there. This is a new teacher and only recently qualified - I will be speaking to head-teacher after half term - but how would you proceed? what strategies can I suggest to them to more positively support DS? What can I do at home to counter this?

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SayNoToCarrots · 19/10/2018 20:38

Oh poor baby. I think when you speak to the head teacher you should avoid outright criticising the teacher, but say what you've said here - your son has changed , he is very critical of himself and you are concerned it is affecting his self worth.

Perhaps as the teacher is an rqt she doesn't yet understand the impact her marking can have on a child. I'm sorry I can't help more, but as a sixth form teacher if a similar complaint came about me from a parent, I would have to explain myself to my superiors. We are very concerned about our students' mental health, and our kids are old enough not to view us as perfect.

MeanQueenHalloween · 19/10/2018 20:38

Who is the SENDCo? I would start there, I think. Outline your concerns as clearly with them as you have here and I hope that you will get a constructive response. It may be possible to have a conversation with your DS' teacher there as well. I'm quite shocked to hear about the feedback your ds is getting.
Your poor ds Sad

Celebelly · 19/10/2018 20:39

What a shame :( I don't have much in the way of practical advice but YANBU. At 7, he should come home feeling encouraged, not demoralised.

Does he enjoy writing stories and things at home? When I was at a loose end, my mum used to say something like 'Go and do a project on tornadoes/castles/etc.' and I would go away and research stuff and make a little booklet of stuff, then we would go through it together. It might be an opportunity to do something that he can then get praise for at home and feel proud of. Does he do any extracurricular stuff like clubs etc. that might help him do stuff outside of school that he feels confident in?

But I definitely think that his teacher needs to reevaluate how she gives feedback to young children. I feel really sad for your poor son and would be angry and sad in your position too.

ilovesooty · 19/10/2018 20:41

How do you know the teacher is only recently qualified? Sorry your son was so upset but I'm curious.

joan12 · 19/10/2018 20:46

We had a very punitive approach initially from a nqt. I thought perhaps lack of experience plus a wish to do well and make an impression in the school, in our case if not others. Conversation with pastoral lead shifted things. Sounds like a more in depth chat about your son's needs, with head and senco would be in order.

Tidy2018 · 19/10/2018 20:50

This marking method is harsh. Ours get a blue dot beside a wrong sum, or a wiggly line under a spelling mistake. Certainly no old-fashioned red pen. P3 and P5. Age 9 and 7. Is this England?

The comments are awful for such a young child

categed · 19/10/2018 20:51

I'm sorry but i would criticise the the teacher. How dare any teacher, who has a job to ensure all children are supported and feel safe to make mistakes so that they can learn, treat a child like this. This teacher can ruin a child's confidence for life, what happened to positive reinforcement, growth mindsets, mistakes are good and we can learn from them!😠😠
There is something called 'socail dyslexia' I don't know enough about it and haven't looked at research but it was suggested for my daughter who struggles socially.
I teach in asn and one of our biggest focus is on rebuilding a child's self esteem and nothing makes me angrier than when people, who should support our children knock them down instead.

Merryoldgoat · 19/10/2018 20:55

I’d absolutely criticise the teacher. She’s what’s changed and now he’s having difficulty.

I agree about approaching SENCO and head. I’d also think about perusing a diagnosis for your son. My son’s has made a difference to how he’s dealt with at school (although they have been excellent anyway).

MeanQueenHalloween · 19/10/2018 21:03

I wouldn't criticise the teacher, I'd raise concerns about specific examples of the marking and the impact its having on ds. Keep it professional, keep it impersonal - try to keep the vibe as "we are all on the same side, how can we best support ds?" rather than giving the school an opportunity to discount what you are saying as some kind of personal grudge.

ShawshanksRedemption · 19/10/2018 21:05

Firstly I would say just because he doesn't have a diagnosis doesn't mean he shouldn't be treated as if he is autistic. The strategies that the school have to meet the needs of children with autism could help benefit your son. For example, staging the work into smaller chunks can help with focus and with the child not feeling overwhelmed so they refuse to work. (Eg www.teachingideas.co.uk/autism-resources/visual-sequences)

I'd ask to discuss this with SENCO.

MissMarplesKnitting · 19/10/2018 21:06

This is crap marking.

Ask for the school policy, Ofsted would crucify them for this punitive approach.

It needs to be constructive criticism feedback with challenges to improve.

cheeseandcrackers · 19/10/2018 21:06

He sounds very similar to my ds (also 7) but the difference is that his teachers are extremely supportive and understand him completely. I'm not sure I would be able to send my ds into school knowing he was going to be subject to so much criticism and would think about asking if he can change classes (if there is another class in his year group with space) and certainly discuss the impact the teaching method has had on him emotionally with the teacher and the head.

joiningmum · 19/10/2018 21:09

Did his low confidence start or spiral after he got this teacher? Treating an ASD child this way would no doubt make them struggle like this, if not cause it in the first place. I think your concerns are very valid. I also don't think the teacher is in a position to tell you whether or not you'd get your son a diagnosis.

waterrat · 19/10/2018 21:09

I would go to the head about that. She is a terrible teacher! I would go ballistic !

BTW I think it's a shame parents think their children are succeeding if they are in top groups. All the kids are valuable not just ones who can read and write the best.

Your son and his emotional wellbeing at just 7 years old is being seriously neglected by this teacher.

I hate how academic and intense our school system is but as parents we also have to not buy into it by wanting our kids to be on top sets.

heavenleighcasteel · 19/10/2018 21:10

Your post could have been written by me
10 years ago. Eventually my daughter finally got her diagnosis age 13, after years of being dismissed by every service. You know your child, please fight for the diagnosis and support. If your child indeed does have ASD, i would hate you to go through what we did, when it all came to a head she 13, she still has huge anxiety now but is at University, with structured support. My very best wishes to you x

SayNoToCarrots · 19/10/2018 21:17

I don't mean don't criticise the teacher because she isn't in the wrong. I just mean that that isn't the best way to get your point heard.

Cheby · 19/10/2018 21:20

The teacher is a twat who has no business teaching. Doesn’t sound like she actually likes children. I’d be doing a formal complaint at this point. And honestly I’d be considering keeping him out until it’s sorted. His mental health will improve no end I’m sure. I wouldn’t be keeping him in that environment for a moment longer.

BewareOfDragons · 19/10/2018 21:20

Go to SENCO and the Head immediately.

Terrible marking.
Completely unsupportive.
Openly hostile to your child, in spite of the likely ASD.
Dismissive of your concerns.

If there's another class, try to force a move.

Amanduh · 19/10/2018 21:20

The school needs to look at their marking policy!

Screaminginsidemeagain · 19/10/2018 21:22

We had this with a teacher and my youngest. I wish I’d moved schools because it took the next teacher and a tutor a whole year to build some confidence back and then we had the same teacher again. Bang back to square one!

Aquamarine1029 · 19/10/2018 21:23

This is shockingly poor teaching. Actually, it's not even teaching! It's punitive and demoralizing. I would go to the head of school immediately.

JuneFromBethesda · 19/10/2018 21:37

I'm so sorry. Your poor boy. I'd be really upset too Flowers

Goldmandra · 19/10/2018 21:43

We have discussed with school ASD but was advised he'd be unlikely to get a diagnosis.

This is really common and often bad advice. Teachers aren't qualified to decide whether a child would get a diagnosis. It's a task that requires the input of a number of highly skilled professionals with a great deal of experience of neurodevelopmental disorders.

It sounds like his difficulties are having quite an impact on his ability to function so it may well be worthwhile asking the GP to refer him for an assessment.

You also need to go and see the school SENDCo and ask them what support they can put in place to help remove the barriers to his learning. They need to identify what those needs are. They could be impaired executive function causing him to struggle with complex tasks and instructions; inability to recognise subtle changes in facial expression, tone of voice and body language; anxiety around changes in routine; sensory overload from smells, lights, touches, uniform and background noises; exhaustion from trying to mask his difficulties and fit in socially.

I just asked my two DDs who have ASD what they would expect the barriers to learning would be for a child of 7 who has ASD and a teacher who tells him off for not performing well enough. They replied in unison "The teacher".

hipposarerad · 19/10/2018 21:47

Yes to the above comments about sloppy marking (no constructive comments, just ticks? Hectoring about expectations with no encouragement? I'm not a teacher but that's crap) and lack of nurturing support.

Also, it's not for a school to say whether or not your child will get a diagnosis of AS, that's a paediatrician's job. If you really feel autism or other ND may be at play you might find you have to dig in a bit. You can also speak to your GP about referral but I've no experience of that as school referred my DC - other posters might know more.

I also think you should ask to meet SENDco or whichever member of staff is dealing with those children - our school uses the title 'Inclusion Manager'.

Good luck, I hope things improve for your little boy.

Poodletip · 19/10/2018 21:49

Oh your poor boy Sad.

I would ask for a meeting with the head to discuss this and ask about the marking policy. This is really not OK, ASD or not. I would also insist on pursuing an assessment for ASD. The school won't want to do it because it's a huge workload for them and there are most likely children in far more obvious need that they will want to prioritise. However, I know in the school where I am that the squeaky wheel gets the oil. It is worth being "that parent". I wish I had been more so for my DD. She ended up getting her diagnosis in Y8 after her primary school repeatedly refused to engage. Be warned it can be a long process with a lot of waiting and probably parenting courses and all sorts of hoops but IME it is worth it if only because it gives you more power to insist that needs are met.

Unfortunately, there are teachers (and people in general) who, no matter how much training they are given, simply Do Not Get autism. It can make for a very uncomfortable time for an autistic child. It is worth fighting his corner for him though. Autistic children have enough issues with self-esteem and anxiety without this kind of attitude from a teacher. I've seen this kind of thing result in really awful behaviour too when the child becomes overwhelmed and frustrated.

If his school don't engage with you in getting this resolved it could well be worth looking at moving him.

Good luck.

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