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AIBU to be shocked and saddened by teachers feedback on DS's work and how can I help him manage his anxiety?

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InnerPeacer · 19/10/2018 20:28

So bit of background DS7 has always soared academically, but has always struggled socially and emotionally. He came on leaps and bounds last year but has really slipped back this half term - very negative about himself at home, and gets very angry about 'not doing things well enough'. We have discussed with school ASD but was advised he'd be unlikely to get a diagnosis...
So for parents evening his confidence and self esteem was my prime focus of discussion.
First sat down and immediately was told he is very bright, in all top sets etc. But the whole tone was just felt negative. Comments such as XXX doesn't listen, he doesn't conform, he's a loner (those actual words), he lacks confidence (almost said with contempt though). I was quite upset by the force of it, but when I asked about strategies to support him, was told he didn't need any he just needed to grow up. I was then left quite cross when I read his books, there were NO positive comments or feedback. It was either a green tick (I assume means good) or comments such as 'XXX, I expect much more of you', 'XXX, this is NOT good enough', 'XXX, you must do better'... no advice how to achieve these things, just those comments. I struggle to understand how this is seen as a good strategy to support a child who a) is identified as very bright but b) who is known in the school as anxious and highly self critical with suspected ASD.
There was this one bit which really upset me. A mostly nicely written page of a story where there were a couple of errors towards the end. The work got marked half way through and a couple of big red circles put around a couple of minor errors. DS had got so upset with the work that there was this massive angry cross through the whole work, really scribbled heavily with the hand. I asked about this incident. The ONLY comment from the teacher was that she pointed this out as an example where DS doesn't listen - because work should only have a single line through it if wrong. I said surely the focus here is a 7 year old is really so upset with his work which obviously took ages that he puts a huge angry cross through all of it. Nope she was just annoyed he didn't put a single line.
I just don't understand how a teacher can on one hand say he's very bright but confidence is an issue, and then not reflect on the type of feedback she gives the child. And this is the language we now have DS talking about himself at home, saying 'he's' not good enough', 'must do better', 'must try harder'.
I've been happy with school up till now and my other son is thriving there. This is a new teacher and only recently qualified - I will be speaking to head-teacher after half term - but how would you proceed? what strategies can I suggest to them to more positively support DS? What can I do at home to counter this?

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yorkshirepud44 · 19/10/2018 21:50

I shipped ds to another school over something similar. He utterly thrived in a different environment. Don't let it go on.

Ellie56 · 19/10/2018 21:50

This kind of marking went out with the ark. Is this teacher actually following the school's marking policy? Hmm

Agree you need to go and see the HT before your poor boy's mental health is destroyed completely.

MyBrexitIsIll · 19/10/2018 22:01

I wouodnt let that go either.
I wouod go back to see the teacher when she has more time and ask her how to support your ds with his anxiety, wanting everything to be perfect etc...
If you get nowhere (whic I assume you won’t), then i would involve the SENCO or the HT depending on how big the school is.
If nothing moves (which has happened to us), I wouod change schools.

I’ve had something similar from a reception teacher. Always so negative. Criticising and at the same time, refusing to see any issue dc2 could have (and there was many). It’s soul destroying for the child.

Fwiw that teacher did a lot of harm to quite a few children but it only became really apparent a few years later.... no parent liked her and ‘her style’. But somehow very few parents did actually go and see the HT about it. She was left doing damaged to the children for far too long.

MyBrexitIsIll · 19/10/2018 22:04

Btw regarding ASD diagnosis, a teacher or the school can NOT

  • diagnosed
  • tell you if he wouod be diagnosed or not
  • or even of its worth pursuing the diagnosis.

My own experience there says that I wouod go private and pursue the diagnosis. (It took a very long time to go through CAMHS and it was clear that even with the , only the ‘obvious’ cases were diagnosed)

ShinyPinkLipgloss · 19/10/2018 22:13

@InnerPeacer,

My son is 7 years old and suffered anxiety with regards to school life.

HIs psychologist explained to me that it was a result of difficulties with "central coherence" basically the inability to see the "bigger picture" of his life in school. If some slight was done to him (which could literally be something as ridiculous as being bumped into) then it would be THE WORST DAY EVER and he HATES SCHOOL and I had real problems getting him to sleep (as waking up = going to school).

There is a link about central coherence here:

aspiewriter.com/2014/08/autism-and-central-coherence-missing-the-forest-for-the-trees.html

After I spoke to his class teacher about this issue there has been a complete turnaround in his anxiety levels. He is now quite happy to go to sleep each night and go to school each day.

His teacher has a quiet word whenever issues arise and takes care to use language to direct him towards seeing the bigger picture of each day in school.

HTH,

ShinyPinkLipgloss

ShinyPinkLipgloss · 19/10/2018 22:14

Sorry meant to add - difficulties with central coherence are prevalent in children with ASD (which my son has).

covilha · 19/10/2018 22:18

I am a qualified and experienced teacher- right from when I first started- and this is more than 20 years ago- I would have been crucified for marking/ feedback like that. Definitley NOT acceptable- speak to the headteacher and ask to see the marking policy. There may be a teacher in charge of assessment and they should moderate books. If you can get hold of the book, take it along with you to the meeting with the headteacher and ask if there has been a change in the marking policy form previous years and why the current teacher is marking in this way. If it is really affecting your boy, ask if he can be moved to a parallel class: why should he be upset in this way because of someone else's attitude? Hope it all works out

loveyouradvice · 19/10/2018 22:19

good luck - crucial you talk to senco and head or deputy head.

Not saying it is but is a typical description of one type of ADHD - there is an inattentive type, without hyperactivity that typically affects girls - and self esteem plummets as children try their hardest and keep getting told to concentrate or try harder - and they can't!

user1495390685 · 19/10/2018 22:20

We have a similar child (also 7), who is such a perfectionist that he bursts into tears when he makes a mistake. I am talking about tiny things like forgetting to capitalise Mum vs mum, or not hyphenating a compound adjective.

More to the point, last year his teacher was so supportive and said he did lots of works with him on developing a growth mindset and accepting his mistakes as positives. He also said it helps to give him work of a suitable level of difficulty, so he is not bored, and put him on the G&T list, so he is challenged appropriately. Your teacher sounds absolutely awful. Can you raise with Head of KS2 at the very least?

lucy101101 · 20/10/2018 07:45

I have a very similar DS... but a completely different school. I did have to push for the diagnosis (and did so outside of school because my DS was actually 'masking' exceptionally well) but the school want to help.

I would be going to the head... and I would be very worried that this school is not being led very well and the situation won't improve.

I think you might want to consider other schools....

Bananamanfan · 20/10/2018 07:56

Your poor DS. A good relationship with a teacher can make so much difference. Been there with DD (also 7) she is suspected to have mild dyspraxia, teachers have also said they don't diagnose at this age (a bollocks cost cutting directive). DD struggled so much in year 1, her teacher really pushed her and DD was so unhappy. Year 2; she had a great bond with her teacher and her confidence and progress soared. DD seems to be doing ok this year and still mostly happy, but I dread a repeat of the year 1 experience. I would write down all that you want to say and discuss it with the headteacher.

FrustratedBeyond · 20/10/2018 08:02

We had the same with eldest son... The SENCO told me there was nothing wrong with him, but in his CAMHS assessment the psychiatrist said from the first 3 seconds he had very very significant aspergers syndrome... Teachers don't know shit

oatmilk4breakfast · 20/10/2018 08:03

Teacher is wrong and needs redirecting. You are being much more calm than I would be! These are pretty formative years for your son.

DannyWallace · 20/10/2018 08:05

Sorry OP I have no advice, but this broke my heart. Your poor DS.
I so hope by speaking to someone else at that school that things can change for him. I bet he'll come on leaps and bounds with some support.

Thisreallyisafarce · 20/10/2018 08:06

I'm not sure talking about a newly or recently qualified teacher in language like "crucified" or "no business teaching" is very helpful. This is a situation that needs a tweak, not a sledgehammer. It is important to praise. It is also important that children do listen and follow instructions, and do try their best. A balance of positive and constructive feedback is the best way to go about this. Sometimes, if the child isn't listening or isn't following instructions, a clearer, corrective comment is needed.

I would speak to the teacher before th head.

Labradoodliedoodoo · 20/10/2018 08:06

Meet it’s then head head ASAP. Give the problem to him to resolve

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 20/10/2018 08:09

The school will probably have their marking and feedback policy on their website. You need to have a look at this before you complain about the marking.

There’s a move towards oral and/or whole class feedback. It might be that just a tick and circling of minor errors is the policy.

MaisyPops · 20/10/2018 08:10

Thisreallyisafarce
I agree.
It needs to be a conversation with the SENCO about how best to ensure a child's needs are met in school, not speculating on how long someone has been teaching, deciding they are a twat and that they have no business teaching.

moanaschicken · 20/10/2018 08:26

I would be asking if the work is a summarise assessment piece, if it's not, then it's formative. Therefore it requires constructive points that can be addressed by the student in order to improve. I would ask what evidence the teacher has for how she has supported him in order to improve his work. I would ask to see the marking policy. I would 100% be taking this further as it is vital his desire to learn and achieve is not turned off at this point. She sounds very naive and I simply wouldn't let it go. (Talking as a teacher myself)

Thisreallyisafarce · 20/10/2018 08:29

moanaschicken

Don't you think that's a bit inappropriate as an approach? Basically trying to tell the teacher how to teach. I will put comments on a student's work as I see fit. It certainly doesn't contravene our marking policy to say that a student needs to try harder or that they haven't followed instructions in their work in class.

JustDanceAddict · 20/10/2018 08:31

He is 7 and they are saying and doing these things. Year 3? That is ridiculous. In sets already too? There shouldn’t be setting in primary except for maths in year 5 & 6 - which was the case in my kids’ primary. I don’t get this severe level of marking or scathing remarks.
If you think he has ASD you need to be referred by GP, do not listen to school. Even if he isn’t, and is just quirky and shy he is 7 and has a lot of maturing to do. I’d be thinking of changing schools at this point.

Mummyoflittledragon · 20/10/2018 08:39

If this was my dd I would find a way to explain to her that the teacher needs to learn to praise as well as criticise. This would work with my dd as she has learnt from these type of conversations that no one is perfect. But idk about your ds.

In any case, I would be clear to your ds you want him to be happy at school and you are going to sort the situation out. Perhaps do some kind of project together over the holidays if you have time to bolster his confidence.

I also agree that the school have no business telling you not to get a CAHMS referral. Bless him.

MrsFrankDrebin · 20/10/2018 08:57

I'm a teacher, and that is an appalling way to go about managing your son and his needs - there seems to be no understanding at all from the teacher. I'm actually ashamed that there are still teachers like this - it's as none of the recent developments in terms of understanding ASD and how it manifests in children have touched this teacher at all!

I have a friend with a DC who has just had a change of year the same age as your son - only difference is she has a dignosis of ASD. Ironically, it's often easier to get a handle on it with boys - girls are good maskers. So for the teacher to say it's 'unlikely' you'd get an ASD diagnosis for your son is complete rubbish - and there are so many signs there, and similar to my friend's DC, I'm so upset on your behalf that you had to experience that at a parents' evening, and devastated for your son that he's having to endure this at school.

FWIW, previous to this year my friend's DC was catered for, and understood amazingly well by her teachers (prior to diagnosis too) but this year, new teacher, one who has no idea at all how to manage my friend's DC's needs, has sent her backwards at an alarming rate. She, too, now thinks she's no good at anything (she's very bright) and doesn't deserve any treats because she can't get anything right at school. Yes, that sounds really over-dramatic, but for a child on the spectrum these things take on a whole new intensity.

You absolutely must take this further to the SENCo and the Head if necessary. This teacher needs to learn that her strategies are poor for a child like your son, and he's at a critical stage of his schooling in terms of his development.

Welshmaiden85 · 20/10/2018 08:59

Personally (I’m a teacher) I think there is a good chance his anxiety is actually because caused by this awful approach. It’s one of the major issues I have with focused marking. However most marking policies refer to something like 2 stars and a wish. In other words, it absolutely should comment on the positives. So look online or ask to see the marking policies.
Clearly though, that is actually just one problem in a whole culture of the way his teacher speaks to him. SENCOs have quite a bit of sway in most schools. So I would go to the SENCO. Anxiety should be treated just as seriously as ASD. Part of a SENCOs role is to identify children, not just support those who already have a diagnosis.

I would also write or speak to the head and ask how they are ensuring positive language and mental heath first aid is being approached in the school because you have some concerns.

BewareOfDragons · 20/10/2018 09:07

When you go in, take some of the experienced teachers' comments from this thread with you to draw upon. They clearly know what they're talking about.

I wish you luck in getting this sorted out quickly. The teacher is actually harming your child with her behaviour, and this is not acceptable.