Why does Corbyn get a free pass on pro-feminist Mumsnet?

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His gang of hard left thugs and goons in 'Momentum' bashed a female Jewish protestor outside a meeting yesterday.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6284119/police-probe-Jewish-woman-kicked-repeatedly-head-protesting-Momentum-meeting.html

Imagine if this had happened outside a Tory supporters' meeting?

You'd already have dozens of posts on here.

I don't think I'm being unreasonable by suggesting that Momentum are a vile, hateful, bigoted and anti Semitic organisation, but what about the passive aggressive, creepy old git 'leading' the Labour Party and this Trotskyist cult?

It is a proven fact that 'Mr Principled' has taken countless bungs from the deeply misogynist and homophobic theocratic regime in Tehran over the years. No doubt his nice-'friends' in Hamas and Hezbollah have chipped in too.

Why does he get a free pass on Mumsnet ?

I've stopped supporting Labour after Corbyn pushed a woman MP out of his cabinet for speaking out about there being a problem with Pakistani men targeting young girls. It was fear of repercussions of being labelled racists that led people on the left to prioritise their own reputations over the safety of girls who were being tortured and raped. Corbyn clearly failed to learn the lesson that people need to be able to speak out on safeguarding issues, not stay silent for fear of not getting their words exactly right and being condemned.

Won't vote for Labour whilst Corbyn is still the leader. He's also shown himself to be unconcerned about women's rights, safety and representation in other areas too.

Who are these trans hating feminists OP?

The feminists I read on FWR support trans rights. They don't however, support women and girls being put at risk of sexual assault by a move from sex segregated spaces to gender identity segregation. The point is that sexually predatory males will, and have, exploited self ID to target women and girls.

I hate the way the government of Isreal acts and how they treat the Palestines yet me calling out the Isreali government brands me a anti Semitic

No it doesnt. HTH

(i have no problems with jewish people )

What has the actions of the government got to do with British Jews? Why mention it?

What do you think of those people who put “free Palestine” on the poster advertising the kristallnacht event, nailsneeddoing? Anti Semitic or legitimate protest?

I think legitimate protest. Not in the mos tasteful way possible of course, but then people who are so severely oppressed, as the Palestinians are by the Israeli government, aren't the most likely to protest tastefully. Understandable imo.

I'd be happy to see the words 'free Palestine' anywhere that people are likely to notice it until enough people with power have noticed and started to do something about it. Regardless of how many times the Nazis, who were defeated decades ago, are misleadingly brought into it.

Regardless of how many times the Nazis, who were defeated decades ago, are misleadingly brought into it.

Not sure exactly what you mean by this.

I think legitimate protest. Not in the mos tasteful way possible of course, but then people who are so severely oppressed, as the Palestinians are by the Israeli government, aren't the most likely to protest tastefully. Understandable imo.

This is being written over posters in the UK not. Is that ok with you? What legitimate protest is that?

I hate the way the government of Isreal acts and how they treat the Palestines yet me calling out the Isreali government brands me a anti Semitic

The problem is that many on the left who pursue justice for the Palestinians, and who tend to throw all their cards in with the 'oppressed' side in a binary 'oppressor vs oppressed' perspective on matters of conflict, end up associating too closely with antisemitic elements and end up repeating and believing a lot of antisemitic
tropes.

Corbyn has shared platforms with disgusting antisemites and appeared on Iranian state TV but he wouldn't share a stage with previous Labour Party leaders during the referendum campaign? This should speak volumns for the people who like to pretend that they are so accuetly aware of any wrong comment or guilt by association normalises the far right and yet are still too deep into playing team sport politics they just brush it aside as its my team thats doing it.

Antisemites has a long history with the Far left, Corbyn has just allowed them to come out from the shadows once again.

OP, this thread seems to have been a bit derailed but assuming this is a genuine question, here are my experiences as a woman 'on the left'. I'm going to focus on the feminist question rather than the anti-semitism question as that is a whole other conversation!

I have actually had to spend quite a bit of time over the past year evaluating, not my political position, but how I decide to express it and my activism as a result of behaviour by nasty men on the left/in Momentum (though not necessarily Jeremy Corbyn himself).

I have in my time experienced from 'the left'.
Hate mail (I am a journalist)
Expulsion from RL groups as a result of challenging rape apology within the group
Expulsion from online JC supporters groups for challenging a decision to post the names of sexual assault victims
Been called separatist
Been dismissed for my 'middle class identity politics' when daring to bring up anything related to women (doesn't happen to black/asian men discussing race though…)
General under appreciation, being left out of decision making and being ignored

So why do I still support lefty politics/Corbyn? Well, the alternative is even worse. I honestly feel that its impossible to oppose the patriarchy without opposing capitalism. I live by the Andrea Dworkin quote about not wanting women to have to beg anymore. That is simply not going to be possible without an anti-capitalist or at least strongly socialist leader in charge, unless you want to go down the route of anarchofeminism.

And though radical in many ways, the feminism boards on Mumsnet are hardly a hot bed of calls for anarchosyndicalist revolution, and even if they were, how do you ensure you aren't just swapping the brocialists for manarchists?

So perhaps that is why Corbyn gets such an easy ride? There really isn't much of a viable alternative for women who want real change.

The OP's post was disengenuous in multiple ways, notleast the reference to 'feminism'. The fracas in the Deily Heil article was amongst two groups of women. How, but in the most oblique sense possible, could this be anything to do with 'feminism'? It was one bunch of provocative idiots fighing another.

Trumped-up claims of antiseminism and sexism when completely irrelevant do nothing to support the OP's main contention that Corbyn is really a bit shit. Which, frankly, he is.

'Women who want real change' are always welcome to jump on the ultra-bourgeois WEP bandwagon, I suppose. I'm pretty sure they don't have any strong opinions on the illegal occupation of Palestinian lands!

Glad I returned to this thread.
Nailsneeddoing IS an anti semite.
It had been niggling at me all day (not really - I knew the answer)

Ps anti semitism isn’t an issue of “taste” and anyone who thinks it is is a fucking arsehoke.
I fully expect the lefty whiners will get the above deleted, but some things just have to be said I’m afraid

And there we have it.

A perfect example of anyone who speaks against the Israeli government and in favour of Palestine being called an anti Semite. Falsely, and for no reason whatsoever.

Point proven.

You think it’s legitimate protest to write “free Palestine” on a poster about kristallnacht.
So I don’t give a fuck what you think about anything. I just wish you could be deprived of the right to vote. You are unfit to exercise it.

Of course it''s anti-Semitic! Like that woman who defaced the wall of the Holocaust museum. This is what I meant when I referred to the extreme Palestinian lobby.

Btw, I am not Jewish and if I'm disgusted, how must they feel?

A perfect example of anyone who speaks against the Israeli government and in favour of Palestine being called an anti Semite. Falsely, and for no reason whatsoever.

No you actually think it's ok to deface posters In the UK

I know which party would help Jews come to this country if they needed to flee like in the 1930s and it wouldn't be the Tories.

I know which party would help Jews come to this country if they needed to flee like in the 1930s and it wouldn't be the Tories

When you have Storefront and David Duke throwing their support behind Jeremy Corbyn I doubt it would be labour either!

*Stormfront

I don't deny that anti semitism exists, I just don't see how you can make the (wrong) assumption that I hate Jewish people because I care more about people suffering today than I do about words on a poster. It makes no sense.

Like I said, people who are oppressed and who are suffering don't always choose the nicest ways of protesting. It may not be right, but it is understandable. It's irrelevant where in the world the poster is, do you think that there are no Palestinians in the U.K. or something? Or that the UK has nothingto do with this? Or that people can't have strong feelings about people being forced out of their homes and made to be refugees, about people being wrongfully arrested, denied water, medicine or electricity just because they they don't live in the same place?

It's a poster. And no matter how important the event advertised on the poster is, you are still only talking about a poster. Not people. A POSTER.

I could just as easily call you islamophobic for not agreeing with the words 'Free Palestine', but that would make no sense and probably be wrong too.

You still havnt learnt that repeating 'are you dismissing jewish concerns' just annoys people who can see its 80% generated press 'concerns'.

And actually I cant stand Corbyn, but I hate the pithy use of anti-semitism, the endless crying wolf as a weapon. Its dangerous.

Patroclus, you're absolutely right. However, the same also applies to most competitors in the victimhood olympics, including the anti-trans bigots on MN's feminism boards, TRAs themselves, proponents of the 'Islamaphobia' industry and sundry other 'woe-is-me' identity politics competitors.

Ultimately, it's all self-defeating, and will result in the backlash that it always does.

Ultimately, it's all self-defeating, and will result in the backlash that it always does.

That I agree with, we are already seeing it with the TRA and GC feminist debarcle.

we are already seeing it with the TRA and GC feminist debarcle.

If actual discussions don't happen this is going to end with vigilantism and so many innocent people are going to get hurt.

Yes, Justanotherlurker!

The real irony is that the TRAs are using the logic of third wave feminism to (understandably) further their own interests. And the reaction of fourth wave feminism is like that of the UKIP racists when they see their own privileged position threatened; anger, hate, defensiveness, tribalism and conservatism.

There's nothing new under the sun!