To give up on Parkrun - photo related

[Parkrunmisery]

OK so this is shallow but I did Parkrun yesterday and whilst I love its open and friendly ethos I look BEYOND SHIT in the fb photos they've posted. I'm honestly not being vain, but I am old (50s) and fat. I want to run to get fitter and thinner but having my photo on the Internet looking horrible makes me miserable.

So AIBU to sack off lovely Parkrun due to their insistence on posting photos of me looking utterly shit*.

*old, fat, red faced, baggy, flabby, grey, no make-up and hair looking shit. I really don't want to have to think about getting made up for sodding photos at 8am.

Their privacy policy says at www.parkrun.com/privacy/

I suppose by diverse groups of people they mean including over weight ones. It sounds like you can object before and after the fact and they are not using the consent ground under GDPR but legitimate interests ground which does not require consent which possibly is pushing it a bit - we could probably do with some test cases on what "legitimate interests" includes. Anyway it sounds like if you quote what is below they will take that photo off the internet.

"4.12. Event Photography and Filming

Photography or filming is likely to take place at our events, is common practice, and helps us to inspire other people to engage in physical activity and to redefine what it means to be active. It also provides a means for historical recording of our events over time. Furthermore, our use of images helps to demonstrate diverse groups of people engaging in and enjoying physical activity both during parkrun events but also as part of the wider community.

We ensure compliance with safeguarding laws and are supported both in-house through our Safeguarding Lead and externally with the support of other experts in the field of safeguarding. All volunteer photographers at parkrun events are registered with parkrun and required to wear a parkrun high-vis vest, further details of our Photography Policy are published here.

In line with the lawful basis of Legitimate Interest individuals have the right to object to this method of data processing by contacting the event team directly, or parkrun head office, and requesting deletion of relevant imagery. At event-level we will also seek, where the event is informed in on the day, not to photograph those individuals who have previously objected.
4.13. Anonymity

In exceptional circumstances, such as for our participants within the custodial system, we allow/require participants to register under a pseudonym. If you have any questions on this process please contact us via support."

It doesn't have to be clear on the terms and conditions. It's a public place, anyone who wants to can take a picture and upload it. They don't need anyone's permission

if you don't want your photo used in this way please let us know and we'll take them down. We have a couple of families who don't want their photos used for safeguarding reasons and always just take them out

Isn't it a bit late by then? They're online already.

@newdaylight is correct on the legal aspect here. You’re in full public view when you’re running through the park, so anyone can take your photo without your permission.

Problem is shots as you don’t run with a number or anything physically identifiable at parkrun unless you are known to the photographer, or there is a system like mentioned about to indicate “please don’t take my photo” it would be pretty hard to identity who doesn’t want photos before they are online

not 100% correct which is partly why the company put those terms I quoted above in its privacy policy.

I believe the case law says if you have a reasonable expectation of privacy - Naomi Campbell in the street going into a Narcotics Anonymous meeting or JK Rowling's toddler in a push chair in the Edinburgh high street then you may not be able to publish the photo although I agree that the BBC etc can obviously take photos of football crowds and the like.

it is a very interesting issue of our age actually. There were all those photos of fat women (never men of course!) eating buns and other food on trains that were published without consent - just homing inon that one woman probably exhausted after work sprawled half asleep on the tube - I would say you had a reasonable expectation of privacy there and ditto if you are doing a run.

It is why google street view try so very hard to make sure no one is in shot. I don't agree that if you are in public you are always fair game.

As upthewolves said earlier, my local parkrun and junior parkrun have a policy for photos - if you don't want your picture taken, just cross your arms in front of your chest as you go by. The photo won't be taken.
It's explained in the intro, and said where the photographer will be, so you can prepare.
And in relatively small groups, the volunteers quickly remember who has said they don't want their photos taken, and nobody has to make an issue of it.

I guess you could also stick your finger up at the photographer, that would have the same effect...

@Xenia you’re correct that in certain conditions of conducting private business in a public place, such as coming out of a clinic, you’re entitled to not be photographed. Park run is however a public event run on a public course that is open to spectators - or random dog walkers - to watch (and cheer), so a photographer is legally able entitled to take your pic without permission.

I hear you OP, I did one parkrun and the picture of me was awful. I’m quite a regular runner but the picture made me look really unfit and like I was really struggling, just caught me on an off moment. It sounds vain but it did knock my confidence a bit. I’ve lost 3 stone running so it would have been Nice to see a picture of me looking all svelte and athletic!

Don’t let it stop you! I didn’t realise they were taking photos- everyone else seemed to be actually smiling/waving to the camera so that’s what I need to do next time.

I don't have any photos of me on line. I don't have any photos if me in RL.

I wouldn't go to anywhere where they openly took your photo and displayed it for all the world to see.

I don't even do the Post Code Lottery because if I won I wouldn't want a camera crew turning up on my doorstep.

The expectation nowadays is every one wants to be famous and get their image out there and privacy is looked on as a weird concept

Joey, you are probably right but i still think there is a case to be made that if a photo homes in on you and the person taking it (as here) is doing it for non household purposes there may be a problem. (Man in dirty mack photographing your small children at the park to masturbate over later might be in the clear even - ugh)

Photographers ceratinly don't think even in public the law is that clear
londonschoolofphotography.com/2018/05/30/does-gdpr-spell-the-end-of-street-photography/

www.longmores-solicitors.co.uk/site/blog/company-commercial/data-protection-issues-for-photographers

Axctually oxford university has views similar to mine of the law

www.admin.ox.ac.uk/councilsec/compliance/dataprotection/useofphotographsandvideo/

The key bit being if that person is the focus of the image - rather than just the large group of people generally in the park. if you pick that one tramp asleep on the bench and publish it you might find even though he is in public he has a reasonable expectation of not being photographed or the girl sunbathing asleep in her bikini that afternoon in the hot sun in the park.

I run parkrun virtually every week. Most weeks, photos are taken.

Guess what. I don't look at them. I know I look about 103 on them.

I can't see why you'd bother torturing yourself.

If you like running, carry on. Just don't look at the photos.

I do sympathise with those who don't want photos online, however I'd be really disappointed if parkrun and all the races I do stopped taking photos.

I look bloody awful in runni if photos. I've got one I like put of hundreds. It's a competition amongst friends now as to who can look least like they are running and most miserable/in pain/gurning!

I hate the photo parkrun thing. For reasons personal to us I don’t want my son photographed and plastered all over the internet but I can’t opt out. If he wants to run I have to agree to his photo being used, never mind that in our circumstances that presents a danger to his safety.

Crusoe you can opt out.

Get off facebook. Best thing I ever did!

ihaven’tgottimeforthis - one of the Parkruns near us has a future budding photographer who practices her action photography at Parkrun. She is 11. I think it would be preferred if you didn’t give her the fuck off.

I haven't rtft
If you google your local parkrun (or the one you want to participate in) there will be a contact email address for them. It might be worth contacting them and saying you'd rather not have your photo taken/published on the FB page.

As with a couple of pp, the parkrun I go to announces at the start where the photog will be and if you don't want your photo taken (not "taken down" but "not taken in the first place) to cross arms over chest or thumbs down as you run past. Anyone with safeguarding issues (or who just doesn't want a photo taken) could approach the run director and ask for this to be included?

As we can see from the Parkrun conditions above and what people are saying you can opt out.
However if you don't want the photo taken in the first place rujning along before photographers are out or even better in the wild countryside with hardly anyone about remains safest I suspect.

Not everyone wants their photo taken for all kinds of reasons when they are out and about.

I doubt you looked as bad as you say.

50 isn't old!

Carry on - you won't regret it.

@crusoe. You just speak to the RD at the beginning of the event, we will absolutely do our best to ensure that we
1= dont take a picture
2 - if we do - we will delete at source
3 - if the worst happens, and a picture appears online - we will delete it as soon as possible.

Our junior event is 155 events old - we have several children who have a no pic policy due to safeguarding concerns. We have never had an incident 3 happen.

We all take the safeguarding aspect of our kids at juniors really seriously.
(I am a RD and my husband is a photographer at both junior and parkrun events)

PLease dont let the photos put you off. Please speak to us.

Undercoverbanana if she wants to take pictures of people in public, which she has the right to do, she needs to be prepared for all sorts of reactions. Not my problem.
But of course if she has a responsible approach i.e an agreed signal for people who would object to having their photo taken, she would probably avoid many negative reactions.