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Minimammoth · 23/10/2018 14:42

All to make then appear innocent and as if they are being treated badly by the rest of the world. Mendacity.

ohmymimi · 23/10/2018 14:52

Seems that the Sky report may have been based on unsubstantiated rumour:
'A wild rumor claimed Jamal Khashoggi's body had been found in a well, but Turkey's president says it is still missing'
'A Turkish politician on Monday floated a wild rumor that journalist Jamal Khashoggi's body was found in a well near the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan appeared to have shot those rumors down by stating that "no one knows" where the body is.
Turkish officials have continuously leaked intelligence and made bold public statements about Khashoggi's killing.
Officials in Turkey promised that Erdogan's statement would reveal new facts about the killing, but the speech did little to advance the narrative or confirm previous gruesome rumours.
Turkey's president has publicly demanded the whereabouts of the body of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, shooting down a wild rumor that Khashoggi's body was found in a well in on the grounds of the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, where the journalist was killed.
Recep Tayyip Erdogan told lawmakers of his Justice and Development Party (AKP) on Tuesday that he wanted to know where Khashoggi's body was.
"Where is the body of Jamal Khashoggi?" Erdogan said. "No one knows until now."
On Monday Doğu Perinçek, the chairman of Turkey's left-wing nationalist Patriotic Party, claimed that parts of Khashoggi's body was found in a well in the garden of the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.
It is not clear where he got that information from, or whether he was privy to Turkey's intelligence.
Erdogan on Tuesday also claimed that a "local person" had Khashoggi's body, but gave no further details.'
uk.businessinsider.com/rumor-claimed-khashoggi-found-in-a-well-turkey-erdogan-shot-it-down-2018-10?r=US&IR=T

ohmymimi · 23/10/2018 14:58

Faking news for the 'fake news' to headline:
'Trump's mystery tax cut puzzles Washington.
The president has spoken twice about a tax plan no one else seems to know anything about. 'I guess I’ll hear about it when I get to work on Monday,' one official said.'
www.politico.com/story/2018/10/22/trump-new-tax-cut-midterms-925383

Daniel Dale
@ddale8
This is the White House transcript of Trump's interaction with reporters this afternoon, before his Marine One departure
mobile.twitter.com/ddale8/status/1054503698334969863/photo/1
mobile.twitter.com/ddale8/status/1054503698334969863

Minimammoth · 23/10/2018 15:10

I’m confused.... I read that the Fed. Want to raise interest rates to slow inflation and spending. Tax cuts would do the opposite, or is it vote winning. ( I’m no economist mind you).
Obviously Trump, know better.

ohmymimi · 23/10/2018 15:13

Jack Goldsmith
@jacklgoldsmith
1/ The Trump administration has (among other things) initiated withdrawal from the Paris Agreement, the INF treaty, the Universal Postal Union, and the 1955 Treaty of Amity w/ Iran, withdrawn from Iran deal, UNHRC & UNESCO, spurned NATO, G20, and UN,
2/ renegotiated NAFTA, started a global trade war, withdrawn from TPP, undermined WTO appellate body, halted TTIP negotiations, redirected US human rights law policy, & declared war on ICC.
3/ Remarkably, it has done these things w/o seeking Congress’s approval or permission. Trump was able to act unilaterally as a result of the presidency’s steady century-long accumulation of control, within the U.S. constitutional system, over international law and institutions.
4/ @CurtisBradley20 and I analyzed the domestic law basis for “Presidential Control Over International Law” here: (link: harvardlawreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/1201-1297_Bradley-Goldsmith_Online.pdf harvardlawreview.org/wp-content/upl…. It is a familiar tale of congressional delegation and presidential arrogation.
5/ Stay tuned for a draft of a piece in a few weeks, with @togawamercer, about Trump’s impact on international law and institutions.
mobile.twitter.com/jacklgoldsmith/status/1054333297411657730

ohmymimi · 23/10/2018 15:20

Clint Watts
@selectedwisdom
Essential listening going into the mid-terms. Analysis of Trump supporters and the reasoning behind why a real estate developer from NY wins in rural areas.

[Hidden Brain] Voting With Your Middle Finger
play.podtrac.com/npr-510308/npr.mc.tritondigital.com/NPR_510308/media/anon.npr-podcasts/podcast/npr/hiddenbrain/2018/10/20181018_hiddenbrain_voting_with_your_middle_finger__-_final_10-18-98b88581-3ffd-4b58-b08a-c34a12d45bbe.mp3?orgId=1&topicId=1014&aggIds=423302056&d=2954&p=510308&story=657547685&t=podcast&e=657547685&ft=pod&f=510308 via @PodcastAddict

ohmymimi · 23/10/2018 15:37

Mr Pastry in Moscow:
Clint Watts
@selectedwisdom
John Bolton - 1. How do you know this? 2. When an election is decided by less than 100K votes, a small effect can make a big difference.
@kylegriffin1
John Bolton says that he "told our Russian colleagues that their meddling in our election process had hardly had any real effect." (link: www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-elections/bolton-says-russian-meddling-in-u-s-elections-hardly-had-any-real-effect-idUSKCN1MW2K2) reuters.com/article/us-usa…
www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/how-russia-wins-an-election-214524

'Donald Trump adviser John Bolton meets Russian defence minister Minister Sergei Shoigu in Moscow.
US President Donald Trump's national security adviser is meeting with Russia's defense minister in Moscow just a few days after Trump announced that he intended to pull the United States out of a landmark nuclear weapons treaty.'
www.financialexpress.com/world-news/donald-trump-adviser-john-bolton-meets-russian-defence-minister-minister-sergei-shoigu-in-moscow/1358338/

ohmymimi · 23/10/2018 16:13

'Meet the Next Ted Cruz.
In November, Chip Roy is likely to be elected to Congress. Top House Republicans worry that he’ll be to the right of the Freedom Caucus.'
www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/10/23/chip-roy-house-freedom-caucus-221737

ohmymimi · 23/10/2018 16:37

Kaitlan Collins
@kaitlancollins
Vice President Pence addresses Jamal Khashoggi during an interview with @costareports. He says CIA director Gina Haspel is in Turkey now reviewing evidence, adding that the admin will "demand those responsible are held accountable." Haspel will brief Trump and Pence upon return.

President Trump is increasingly irritated by the fallout from Khashoggi's death, complaining about negative TV coverage and telling confidantes he feels betrayed by the Saudis. But aides have told him it isn't resonating w base, to focus on the caravan.
Trump frustrated, feels betrayed by the Saudis
cnn.com

'Trump frustrated, feels betrayed by the Saudis'
The President, who spoke Sunday with Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, is privately blaming them for making him look badly. At times he has talked about how much he has done so much for the Saudis, complaining that they put him in this position.
Trump doesn't like that he and his son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner have been depicted as overly cozy with the Saudis.
amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/10/23/politics/trump-irritated-khashoggi-death/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 23/10/2018 16:54

' 'Bring Me the Head of the Dog': How the Top MBS Aide Behind Khashoggi's Murder Ran the Killing via Skype.
According to one high-ranking Arab source, Qahtani was beamed into a room of the Saudi consulate via Skype hurling insults at Khashoggi until he gave the go-ahead to the 15 Saudi intelligence operatives to kill him.'
www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/turkey/how-the-top-mbs-aide-behind-khashoggi-s-murder-ran-the-killing-via-skype-1.6585080

That Sky reporting is cropping up in misleading headlines and tweets. So irresponsible, that poor man's loved ones have enough pain to deal with:

www.haaretz.com/amp/middle-east-news/remains-of-khashoggi-found-in-garden-of-saudi-counsel-s-home-sky-news-reports-1.6589232?__twitter_impression=true
Ragıp Soylu
@ragipsoylu
BEWARE
Sources within Istanbul Prosecutor’s office told TRT World’s @HSYNYLMZ that they didn’t find #Khashoggi body parts inside the garden of Saudi Residence
Sources also said a picture circulating on social media purported to be the corpse is fake
Re: @SkyNews story
None of my sources confirm @SkyNews allegation that police found parts of #Khashoggi corpse inside the consul general’s residence.
So maybe we should wait to be sure about these kind of things?

ohmymimi · 23/10/2018 17:59

VP Pantsonfire, does he ever take a moment to ask himself what t
he Christ he claims to follow would teach?
'For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in;'
David Gura
@davidgura
Asked by @costareports to provide evidence to back-up President Trump's dubious claim there are Middle Easterners in the migrant caravan, Vice President Mike Pence says this:
"It is inconvincible that there are not people of Middle Eastern descent in a crowd of more than 7,000 people advancing toward our border."
For those keeping score at home, the vice president's answer contains no evidence.
Vice President Pence continued, "In the last fiscal year, we apprehended more than 10 terrorists or suspected terrorists per day at our southern border."
In February, the vice president said this: "...we actually still apprehend 1,100 individuals a day, who are attempting to enter this country illegally, including seven individuals a day who are either known or suspected terrorists."
At the time, @PolitiFact fact-checked that smaller figure. Its conclusion? "Pants on Fire."
Vice President Pence says agents apprehend 7 terrorists or suspected terrorists along border every...
politifact.com
Let's continue to make our way through the vice president's answer. In this context, he defines "terrorists or suspected terrorists" as individuals "from countries that are referred to in the lexicon as 'Other than Mexico,'" which he defines as "from the Middle East region."
I assume "the lexicon" is how the U.S. Border Patrol categorizes apprehensions. There is nothing to indicate "Other than Mexico" doesn't mean, well, countries other than Mexico.
Here are those @CBP data, by fiscal year, BTW: (link: bit.ly/2wnPgow) bit.ly/2wnPgow.
The vice president then cites conversations he has had with Juan Orlando Hernández, the president of Honduras, and Jimmy Morales, the president of Guatemala, about the caravan.
He claims President Hernández (Honduras) told him the caravan was "organized by leftist gangs in Honduras," and it is "financed by Venezuela."
This represents a change in the administration's spin. In recent days, President Trump has said Democrats "wanted that caravan." One of his supporters in congress,
@RepMattGaetz, has claimed—without evidence—George Soros is funding it.
At this point in his four-minute answer, after saying the caravan is "being sent north to challenge our sovereignty and our border," Vice President Pence says that what this is really about—the caravan, the White House's position—is human trafficking.
"Nearly 40 percent of young girls that [sic] make their way into our country at the hands of human traffickers are sexually abused," he claims.
It is unclear where that figure comes from, if anywhere.

cozietoesie · 23/10/2018 18:30

A Newsweek Op Ed piece by Robert Reich.

Go Big and Bold

He has a point.

AcrossthePond55 · 23/10/2018 20:57

I can only hope, when this fucking shit show is over and we have a real President, that all our (former) allies will look at us and say "I know, America, you've been in an abusive relationship with a narcissistic twat and just couldn't get out until now. But you know what? We were friends before, and we'll be friends again now that you've kicked that sorry arse to the kerb. Welcome back into the friendship circle. Here's the treaty/agreement/accord that he stole from you. Just sign here and we'll forget the past."

Sigh.

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PerkingFaintly · 23/10/2018 22:07

I think that's more likely to happen to the USA than to the UK over Brexit, Across.

At least the US can point to a particular figurehead ignoring the enablers, and when he's gone move on. The shitshow that is Brexit is too diffuse and administratively complex to do that.

PerkingFaintly · 23/10/2018 22:15

I'm not minimising the damage Team Trump can do while they last, though.

lionheart · 23/10/2018 22:17

Trump on Khashoggi’s murder: "They had a very bad original concept. It was carried out poorly. And the coverup was one of the worst in the history of coverups. It's very simple. Bad deal. Should have never been thought of. Somebody really messed up."

cozietoesie · 23/10/2018 22:25

.....Bad deal......??

Lweji · 23/10/2018 23:10

Dumb ass.

Even Newt Gringrich speaks out against SA.

www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-describes-saudi-plot-kill-jamal-khashoggi-bad-original-concept-1184508

AcrossthePond55 · 24/10/2018 03:52

Translation of Scrotus’ Khashoggi statement “They aren’t as smart as me. I would have gotten away with it because I would have had a better plan, the best plan. And my cover up would have been the best coverup. No one in the history of political murders has had as good a cover up as mine would have been”.

And what’s scary is that you know that he truly believes that the real problem is that they got caught.

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Roussette · 24/10/2018 07:13

Totally agree. He doesn't condemn the murder at all. Just the fact they got caught.

ohmymimi · 24/10/2018 07:33

Media/Dems need to start using 'earned benefits' and stop using 'entitlements', which Repuglies have weaponised:
Heidi Przybyla
@HeidiPrzybyla
Read this. This is IMPORTANT.
No one has done this math before, totaling (sic) up the net cost of 20 years of tax cuts for the top 1% -- and it just happens to equal, exactly, the proposed cuts to New Deal and Great Society safety net programs

'Great Society safety net programs.
Democrats find new ways to talk about entitlement cuts in campaign's closing days
A new report shows that GOP tax cuts cost the same as proposed entitlement cuts.'
www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna923106?__twitter_impression=true