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AIBU to think that this is gaslighting of victims?

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Shiklah · 13/10/2018 14:38

I am really shocked that the media are referring to Karen White, the male rapist as she. Jeremy Vine has said that if he refers to Karen White as male complaints against him will be upheld. This person lived near me and waged a campaign of terror on local residents in social housing and pretended to be transgendered so that he could access and rape a vulnerable women. He then used this persona to be moved to a women's prison and commitment further offences. He has now been sentenced to 22 years (in a male prison).

The media is referring to this man as 'she' and making reference to 'her penis'. How is this not gaslighting and abusive towards his victims? They know a man attacked them so why is his preference for pronouns more important that the victims right to recovery? We know the damage that denying victims truthful testimony causes so why is this happening? We know that being told that their rapists were 'good men' gave victims of abuse in the Catholic Church and Jimmy Savile, so how is this different?

This is not a thread derogatory to trans people, I feel utterly confused as to how a violent male offender has been able to pretend to be a trans gendered woman to commit these crimes, and yet is still being referred to in the media by female pro nouns despite the trans community and the judge in the case stating he was manipulating people using a 'trans persona' and Drs stating that he did not have dysphoria and was not committed to transitioning.

Please don't attack me and call me transphobic, I am terrified to discuss this in real life as I am frightened of being called a bigot. I am actually very worried that this man pretending to be a trans women will cause transphobia. I have no axe to grind but find this so confusing and upsetting. I work with vulnerable young women and am a victim of sexual violence myself, please be kind.

Thank you.

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Shiklah · 14/10/2018 20:23

Does anyone in the mn community think self ID is acceptable?
It really seems not.
Why would anyone ever think this is ok?

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R0wantrees · 14/10/2018 20:49

Fairplay for Women have a lotof infornation as well as a link to and guidance to the government consultation on self-id which ends 19th October.

fairplayforwomen.com/

Shiklah · 14/10/2018 21:46

Thank you @R0wantrees

I have been on that website today. I thank the wonder women who have spent time spelling it out for me so I can see it and understand, I am in shock, I think. The information is quiet incomprehensible and I can see that it could be seen as 'tin hat brigade' conspiracy theory nonsense by many regular people. I am not in any way criticising it, but have brain ache from this madness and trying to contain my cognitive dissidence. I have started a new thread to see if the many intelligent, busy mums on MN have any idea about what is happening in this country. I can't believe people will accept this, I refuse to believe it.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3394767-AIBU-to-state-that-no-one-thinks-Self-ID-for-Trans-gender-people-should-be-passed-as-law

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R0wantrees · 14/10/2018 21:49

there is a thread here that many have found useful:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

Shiklah · 14/10/2018 21:52

I have read that thread :)

MN is an educational place full of opportunities for women to understand each other and broaden their knowledge - thank you.

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Shiklah · 14/10/2018 21:53

I have done nothing but read about this and sleep for 48 hrs! GrinBrew

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R0wantrees · 14/10/2018 23:26

Do email your MP if you haven't already.
There's a meeting this week in Westminster that all MPs have been invited to with WPUK, FP4W & TRansgenderTrend. It would be good to encourage them to attend or to send a representative if not able.

FP4W have details on their FB page.

TheClitterati · 14/10/2018 23:54

I had a very interesting weekend on my fb after posting about my similar confusion about this op.

Turned out I have my very own woke Bro, LP activist turned TRA Thug to give me a proper dressing down and abuse for daring to discuss this.

On the other side of it all I feel strangely liberated, and fearless.

Oldstyle · 15/10/2018 01:06

I'm not surprised that this particular case produces a clear anti self-ID response since it's such an extreme example of women's actual safety being ignored on the say-so of a particularly reprehensible man.
I'm less sure how people feel about self-ID in other circumstances given that women are a tolerant lot and inclined to be inclusive. For example,
Rachel McKinnon (who is trans) has just smashed the women's world cycling record; the Labour Party have just elected their 3rd trans Woman's Officer (an activist for the cause); the Spanish contestant for Miss Universe 2018 is trans.
I would always have been against mixed sex sports but would have accepted the latter in the past. Not any more. I feel that women's place in society is being consistently undermined by the trans lobby. Even had Karen White not happened, self-ID is simply not acceptable. Or AIBU? (Hope not!)

PS Good for you Clitterati!

R0wantrees · 15/10/2018 08:45

There have been many vulnerable women locked in prison with males convicted of violent crimes includinh rape and child abuse.

Vulnerable women are being forced to take communal showers etc with male-bodied prisoners.

Paedophiles are being placed inside prison with vulnerable single-mothers.

Women in prison have experienced a high level of male-based violence: rape, domestic violence, coersive control.

Prisons should be single sex. There is no good reason why this should not be the case.

It is a massive failure of duty of care to vulnerable female prisoners.

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