Fatshaming

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After a conversation with friends, and with obesity (especially in young people) becoming a bigger crisis than smoking in our society, am I unreasonable to think that as we villanise smoking and drinking, should we fat shame more to encourage people to change their lifestyles. It's certainly worked with reducing smoking rates. Don't attack me (I've lost 2 stone). Just wondering why we target smoking more than fast food?

Blimey

So if banana is not a carbohydrate food, what is it? A protein? A Fat?

As someone was saying pseudo science. The diet industry has a lot to answer for !

Here I must apologies mooncup as I just have a "thing" about individual foods being called carbs. They are not carbs, they are foods containing carbs, In fact, a banana does also contain some protein, albeit small. Just me being pedantic.

So what is a banana classed as outside of pseudoscience?
A carb, a protein or a fat?

Yes moomcup it contains all those and also zinc, potassium, magnesium....unlike Haribo which I think we can all agree will cause a "spike". How high that spike is depends on the baseline metabolic health of an individual.

er, its classed a a fruit

as a fruit , I mean

Most foods contain a mixture of more than one macronutrient, but are generally classified as the one they contain most of.

Fruits are carbs

Macronutrients are the main nutrients that make up the foods we eat. There are only three:

Carbohydrates
Protein
Fat

Fruit is not a macronutrient

No, I didnt say it was a macronutrient , as you know.

Mooncup which university did you get your qualification in deitectics from ? I'd ask for a refund.

Most natural unprocessed foods have a mixture of macros (some are nearly completely balanced foods eg: lentils and potatos) weird isn't it, almost like it was designed that way....

I would really like to get to the bottom of this (I see the insults have started in earnest)

Banana is a fruit and fruit is a carbohydrate
When the body ingests carbohydrate, it produces insulin

Which part of that is not correct?

I did say I was just being pedantic and did apologise for that. There is a difference between a food "being a carb" and containing higher amounts of a carb. Sure some foods might be listed under macronutrients as having "most" of but its not the same. Yes, I know I'm being difficult, as mentioned its a thing for me.

Anorexia actually carries a much higher mortality rate - should we skinny shame too?

Do you have any facts that more people die from anorexia associated diseases than obesity associated disease?
I am not sure if your facts here.

OP. I know what you are trying to say, but I don’t think it is as simple as making it a bit anti social to eat shit food! I do don’t know that the answer is but it’s not that.

So what is the difference between a food "being a carb" and containing higher amounts of carbs?

I have already said that we classify according to the one it has most of.

There is very little of our foods that are 100% carb, 100% fat etc.

*So what is the difference between a food "being a carb" and containing higher amounts of carbs?

I have already said that we classify according to the one it has most of.

There is very little of our foods that are 100% carb, 100% fat etc.*

Carbohydrates are the actual sugars, starches and fibre found in foods.

So what would you class bread as?

so mooncup..if someone needs 1200 calories a day for example to maintain bodily functions, and they eat 1500 calories a day...and in example one that 300 extra calories is consumed through eating a vast amount of broccoli what do you think their body does with that 300 extra calories ?
I agree you dont get the same rapid insulin spike but the calories do not magically get excreted by the kidneys do they ?
So person b eats an extra 300 calories a day by consuming a couple of biscuits ...
both people have had more calories than they are using...

i agree it is somewhat more complex and very individualised how many calories people need. Plus we need to consider satiety in this
But this is why things like high fat high protein diets work to a degree because you need smaller amounts of this food stuff to feel full so overall you eat less calories.
It is also why 5;2 and the like work , because basically over the week people eat less calories than they use.
ditto 16:8 ...though intermittent fasting and its effects on insulin spikes are up for discussion
ditto people who are succesful at ww or sw..they are all diets based on less calories than you use.

obesity happens because people are eating too much...more than they are using ( exception people with genuine health conditions that affect them) what then happens to the body once it is obese in terms of the insulin spike, glucose need, hunger cycle is a factor but firstly people are getting fatter because of the amount of food they are eating

Bread is a food from the breads and cereals group and is one of the foods which are higher in carbohydrate, or what we call carbohydrate-containing foods :)

Most natural unprocessed foods have a mixture of macros (some are nearly completely balanced foods eg: lentils and potatos) weird isn't it, almost like it was designed that way...

Here are the macro nutrients of potato. Would you say they are balanced?

Protein 4.32 g
Carbohydrates 36.59 g
Fat - 0.22 g

I think we do foods such a disservice when we use this reductionist approach and try to break them down into macronutrients groups.

I think we do foods such a disservice when we use this reductionist approach and try to break them down into macronutrients groups

The point is that this is how the body sees them. They each are dealt with in a different way.

That is the issue with only looking at calories because the question is, does it matter what type of calories we consume AS WELL?

The point is that this is how the body sees them. They each are dealt with in a different way
Nope, not true. The food itself is broken down and then each product of digestion/metabolism goes through different pathways, Heck, even the body gives each food a good go as a whole foodstuff first.

Being ashamed would make me fatter.