To be surprised that so many on here claim to have never met/seen anyone who is transgender?

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Where I live in Britain I meet and see transgender people all the time. So today I was out and saw two people who were obviously transgender. I also meet people through work and other occasions.

I think you might mean gender non conforming.
A man like Grayson Perry who wears feminine clothing doesn't say he's transgender.
My son has a skirt he likes to dance in. He's 6, and he isn't transgender.
A woman who wears combat trousers and has a girlfriend and short hair MIGHT say they are transgender, or they might say they are a lesbian and be perceived as butch.

Isn't it more like people coyly suggesting that they don't see labels, trans identified males pass so well they don't notice etc etc?

I'm surprised tbh, I can spot a transgender person from about 100 meters away.

Well I’m not sure I would know they were or not...

There’s someone I meet infrequently at work related events, I had no reason to think they were anything other than a man with a ponytail.

Till she told me she was trans and had a name badge with a feminine name on it (she hadn’t been wearing a name badge at previous events)

So I might be meeting more and accidentally misgendering them tbh...

Do they?
I see lots of men dressed in women's clothes and makeup, and lots of women with short hair and flat chests. I don't know if they identify as trans though, since trans is a subjective feeling.

I've also met a few people who I am aware identify as trans.

drspouse I mean for example someone who looks like a man, wears a dress and has long hair or a wig. That is more than just not buying into the ideas of what a woman or man look like.
FFS I am gender non conforming a lot of the time. Short hair, t shirts, jumpers and jeans. I never wear high heels or make up.

ADastardlyThing Exactly. Of course there may be ones I don't notice, but I do see a lot. Like the older one who dresses like an old fashioned housewife with a really bad wig. Or the very stylish dressed person who often gets the same bus as me who must be 6 and a half feet tall with long blonde hair and well applied make up.

As I said - you see people who are GNC.
The only thing that is transgender is someone saying they are. Which is why it's so bananas. I could say I'm a trans man, even in a skirt and heels. Nobody could tell me I'm wrong.

How do you know they are transgender and not transvestites?

I don’t own any heels, I have short hair, jeans, jumpers and hate make up.

Can’t say I’d call myself anything other than a woman. Surely if you call yourself ‘gender non conforming’ then you are suggesting there’s an opposite (gender confirming), which in turn suggests there’s something to conform to.

Surely we just acknowledge that people are all different? I’m just a woman, I haven’t got time to ponder other labels to define myself, nor do I think that ‘woman’ isn’t accurate enough.

I have a colleague who is trans. She works in a different office to me. I didn’t know she was trans until she gave a presentation for diversity week though.

I met a few gender non-conforming people when I was a student but I didn’t know them well enough to know if they were trans or not and obviously didn’t want to assume.

Transvestites come under transgender.
Yes sorry agree with your point about gender non conforming. I am just me, no big deal.

I see people I would assume identify as trans, rather than GNC, fairly regularly. They don’t pass.

Can honestly say I've only ever knowingly come across one transgender/transvestite person in my life. And that was over 20 years ago.

I don't understand the point you're making. You're surprised people say they've never met anyone trans? Because you see people all the time who must be trans because of their "really bad wig" or the fact they're 6 feet tall?

Help me out here, because I'm not understanding what you're trying to say. Except that everyone should start playing "spot the trans" on their way to work. Which is, you know, offensive. And weird. It's odd you've come on here to talk about this actually; do you also keep a tally of how many people look like lesbians on your daily commute?

Crossdresser comes under transgender apparently.

I should point out, when I say I can spot people who identify as transgender, I probably mean men who are presenting as women in a stereotypical fashion.

There are approx. 60 million people in the UK, of which there is no official data - Dept of Statistics has had numerous FOIs but it doesnt collect that data.

""The Gender Identity Research & Education Society (GIRES) estimates that about 1% of the British population are gender nonconforming to some degree. The numbers of trans boys and trans girls are about equal.""

So 1 in every 600,000 in the UK is possibly transitioning. 'Non conforming' will mean many things, not just transitioning

In the USA estimates are between 00.1% and 00.5%, for parity.

Cross dressers are not transgender. It's completely different.

The only transgender person I know (through work and I knew them before as a male name) is older and I wouldn’t notice walking down the street or in the bus. I’m not very observant of people’s skin or hair or shoes. She just looks like a 60ish yr old woman.
I do notice a few students around who appear to be deliberately ambiguous gender but only in studenty areas.

Officially cross dressers come under the transgender umbrella.

I know someone who is transgender. She is taking hormones and will have the operation within the next two years. She says that she knows she will still be genetically male but will be as close to being a woman as she possibly can. She doesn't agree with the word cis gender either.

So all women who wear trousers, are assertive, or do maths are trans.
Yeah.

I should point out, when I say I can spot people who identify as transgender, I probably mean men who are presenting as women in a stereotypical fashion.

In the Brave New World you will have a very important role to play. You will be "Protector of Women" and you will have to scour the lines outside public toilets using your keen spotting skills to identify and segregate the undesirables. You may even get a uniform. Go you!

Ah! Yes the real life difference between effeminate men, crossdressers, gender benders and Stonewall's new definition of trans... that seems to include every human being on the planet except, maybe, Hulk Hogan!

A uniform? I hope it's pink :::::squeeeeee:::::::::

I don't think it's a special skill though tbf so quite a few uniforms might be needed. And kittens. No, a uniform WITH kittens on it.

Well presumably you are a woman? So of course you LOVE pink.