To be surprised that so many on here claim to have never met/seen anyone who is transgender?

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Where I live in Britain I meet and see transgender people all the time. So today I was out and saw two people who were obviously transgender. I also meet people through work and other occasions.

I met someone once who said they were from Finland. But seeing as you've just proven it doesn't exist they were probably a narcissistic fantasist.

There are many lesbians with short hair and wearing jeans, so far harder to tell if they are lesbian or identify as transgender.

Or maybe even just heterosexual women who have short hair and are wearing jeans? Not all lesbians have short hair and are butch either you know.

Maybe just stop trying to make assumptions about people based on their appearance???

I worked with one gay man who liked to wear non gender defining clothes, so unisex. he wasn't trans.

At the same work was a 16 year old who wore heels, trousers and womens tops, he was also gay.

These are the only two people I've met who wear something different than their gender specific clothes.

Rinoachickaren There are certain hairstyles and clothes that older lesbians especially choose to wear to show they are lesbians. You may not recognise or understand this, but I do.

It's not "surprising" that many folk would claim so. Taking the figures quoted that estimate 600,000 of the UK population would identify as transgender ..... I live in a town of 10,000; my nearby city is about 250,000; the whole local council area probably doesn't top 600,000.

So without wishing to sound like the country-cousin, it'd be more than reasonable for many people to claim not to know / have met someone transgender.
Whether they're right in that assertion is a whole other conversation ......

I suppose it depends whether people are doing the "people are people I don't see gender" or just don't really look outside of their little group of friends.

I do “see” sex, (everyone does surely?) and I do look outside my “little group of friends” there just aren’t any trans people currently living nearby or working in my office.

I can’t magic them up just to be woke...

Rinoachickaren There are certain hairstyles and clothes that older lesbians especially choose to wear to show they are lesbians. You may not recognise or understand this, but I do

Oh blimey

Someone needs to give me a bit of a heads up on this, i dont want to accidentally lead anyone on

Not joking!

aba although you chose to overlook my post very similar to rhinos - I'm 56, with a great memory but maybe not so great dress sense (if you asked Vogue). When exactly did dressing in 'blokey' clothes become the preserve of lesbians?

Given your greater understanding of coure....

of course - although if there's a greater understanding of "coure" - I do.

I can definitely also tell the difference between an older lesbian, an older straight woman with short hair and jeans, and a transman!

Dressing in blokey clothes is not the preserve of lesbians. But that is not what I said.

Where does one find the catalogue of hairstyles by sexual orientation, please?

Isn't there also some rule about single ear piercings, ankle bracelets and coloured cravats??

Probably what confuses us now is that, yet again, long hair can be seen as manly on a man. It hardly ever went away really.

Maybe it's that certain sort of comb-over, greased-down, short hair style that some 'older' lesbians used to sport to ensure society knew they were 'butch' lesbians. Hardly any men actually wore their hair like that and definitely not all lesbians.

Some younger 'butch' lesbians still do this and if they like it and want to - carry on.

'blokey' is my own word and describes my own clothes - you just seemed so knowledgeable about "older lesbians" and piled into rhino a bit that I've asked for clarification.

caligula If you hung around with older lesbians you would recognise it.

When I say transexual I mean have had surgery.

How would you know, unless they chose to tell you?

You can legally change from a man to a woman and yet have no surgery.

Dh has said my hair is lesbian chic before

He has also said that if he saw me with this hair in a bar (when we were younger) he'd have thought 'i was up for it'

So THATS confusing

I live in rural North Yorkshire and am not aware that I've ever come across a TG person but I may have done.

Have we sorted out what TG is yet -other than a bloke on a bus with an ill-suited wig? And yes - I've met, known and seen loads of people like this in many places - eg: San Francisco, Brighton, London and Devon - most in Brighton, but more so nowadays in Devon, where generally in the North people wear what they feel comfortable in - including a few young chaps wearing skirts and make-up, and they look very nice too.

Caligula - yes, it did used to exist - earrings left or right, and the 'hankie/cravat' colour code - red/blue (different shades), etc. - wearing them left or right meant looking for/giving or wanting/receiving and even the shade of blue meant if you wanted payment or would pay.

And natch I can't recall what left or right meant - but handkerchiefs were clearly displayed in back pockets or less obviously in a jacket/blazer front pocket.

That was London early '80s.

Perhaps it depends on where you live.

You might live somewhere like that OP, but I live in rural smalltownsville (population about 12,000) and I've never seen anybody answering to that description here, nor in the surrounding small towns and villages. There's quite a few openly gay people though, including several of dc's friends.

When I'm in London on the other hand... yes frequently, and nobody bats an eyelid.

Not really sure what your point is.

I'm just gutted I can never sport an anklet because I can't remember which ankle means I'm a "hotwife" whose partner's into cuckolding

I mean for example someone who looks like a man, wears a dress and has long hair or a wig. That is more than just not buying into the ideas of what a woman or man look like.

They may just like dressing like women. And that doesn't make them transgender.

I guess it depends where one lives. In a very conservative, religious or non-trendy town, you possibly would not meet many people who are non-binary.

I found a girl I was at school with on Facebook and she is now presenting as a man. I had no idea she ever suffered any GD and we were quite good friends.