They have no clean drinking water and it’s your fault!

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Watched Stacy Dooley “Fashion dirty secret” on BBC last night. Lost sleep over it. Michael Gove is clueless on the poisonings of water for millions of people. It’s a disaster and it’s our fault with buying cheap cotton. We need to do something! Kids are being poisoned 🤢 it made me cry

Brightlightsandsound, but why? If women have no rights not to have their tubes tied, why do they have a right not to abort? You’ve already taken their bodily autonomy and handed it to the state and those accidental children are going to pollute just as much as the firstborns.

The problem is that as soon as people start talking about limiting child benefit or tax credits to 2 children, there is complete outrage. Council tax was charged per person. It was called the Poll Tax and caused rioting in the streets. I think we do need to prioritise population control for all, including the rich, who may not have a problem when it comes to taxation, but may respond to education.Yes, Western family sizes are falling, but the resources used by a Western child are 10 x that of a child in a developing country, and probably more when it comes to the wealthier. Jamie Oliver for example pontificating about responsible farming when he has 5 children is ludicrous. Just by existing they are using up a disproportionate amount of resources.

Globalisation is a double edged sword.

Thats pretty much it,

Also pointing the finger at certain shops as being responsible for throw away fashion is short sighted. Fashion is an industry based on new seasons etc etc evryone is responsible as its a self perpetuating system.

As a PP put it, everyone expects others to do something about it (such as OP) and doesn't realise their own impact, or think its a simple "buy from X shop instead of Y"

If you read my first post correctly you would know.

Ivor Ref. cotton being touted as environmentally friendly. I've known for years that it uses more pesticides than any other crop in the 3rd. world. That's why I buy organic or fairly sourced.

If throwaway fashion is a problem then presumably we can expect to see Stacey Dooley in her Strictly Minions Costume for months to come.

I have neither children nor a car

But I may be over-provisioned in cotton duvet covers...

@ppeatfruit, Perhaps! But not everybody lives in London and it's impractical for many of those outside of very large cities to not have a car for some travel.

For example, when we first moved to the UK, we lived about an hour from my husband's work. As he worked in hospitality, public transit was not always an option for the crazy hours he worked! He was forced to get a car.

Public transit is unreliable and overly expensive and if we really want people to use it, it needs to be cheaper per journey than driving.

Justanother Yes fashion is a ridiculous industry ( I worked in it) they should think seriously about changing it's monotonous seasonality. I saw an article in the FT magazine recently advocating the new season's huge clothes (like pararchutes fgs) such senseless waste.

Why does everyone assume the high street is "throwaway" I have two jumpers which i bought from New Look back in 2006.

@ppeatfruit you had children because your brother and sister didn't? And I asked you if you waited until your sister his menopause and your brother was elderly before having children. How did you know they wouldn't have children?

Burberry could have donated their unsold clothes to people who need them instead of burning them.

Me too Helena In fact I hang onto the better quality 2nd hand clothes I bought in the last century, they often come back into fashion But I try to not to be a fashion victim!

If you insist on asking questions and not reading my posts , I can't be bothered with answering you. Have you a problem?

Helena Burberry BURNED their unsold stock? OMG

ppeatfruit, have you tried to persuade your three children not to reproduce? Did you perhaps offer to bankroll sterilization or contraceptives, maybe offer an advance on their inheritance?

@kaytee @luvsmall My idea about a sort of "reversible but controlled sterilisation of men" is merely science fiction of course but at least we're discussing the options. Governments aren't. And responding to a post doesn't mean I think an idea has merit, for crying out loud. I also suggested the possibility of tax breaks or benefits for those who don't have children. But the idea that, as in France, countries reward families for having more than three children is ludicrous.

@woman Thank you for earlier comment.

@harpingon is quite right. A lot of it is about personal responsibility.

@plump This is also tied up with our vastly improved health and health care enabling us to live longer, you're right. Which also goes back to my earlier "just because we can do something doesn't mean we should do something". Why do you think so many people now campaign and want assisted suicide for terminal illness or conditions? It's cruel to insist people be made to suffer if they do not wish to (although that's not the same as Logan's Run insisting when people reach a certain age they get bumped off). But we talk about quality of life a lot - both for children and the elderly. We have to bear in mind that what we are doing to the planet will in time result in a worse quality of life for everyone.

YES actually have you a problem too?

ppeatfruit, why would anyone have a problem with a hypocrite well past their own breeding years wanting to control what young people do with their bodies? All for the sake of their own grandchildren?

@Helena I was starting the changeover from summer wardrobe to winter wardrobe this weekend, bringing out the jumpers and cardigans and sweaters. The vast majority of both were 6+ years old and there are some things that are between 10-15 years, including some shirts. What Burberry did was a disgrace.

ShatnersWig, I’m not in France? Would you like me to nip over on the ferry to invade them for you or something? And yes, it does actually, as it seems you think the onus is on someone against mandatory abortions to come up with something else instead rather than just saying “let’s not, it’s sadistic”.

@riversleep Excellent post

ppeatfruit - other clothing companies have been caught burning unsold stock or just putting it in dumpsters. it really is worth buying as little as you possibly can so companies are forced to understock.

Someone mentioned globalisation as a double edged sword. Does that mean there are positives?!

YY Shatners Burberry thought their customers wouldnt want to see poorer people wearing their clothes.

Pure snobbery.

Re population

According to UN data half of the world's 224 countries have a birth rate to hit replacement fertility (the rate at which new births fill the space left behind by deaths)

Contemporary fertility around the globe is lower than it has ever been.

Current estimates expect the world's total fertility rate to fall below replacement levels by 2050, though population momentum continues to increase global population for several generations beyond that.

https://ifstudies.org/blog/half-the-worlds-population-is-reaching-below-replacement-fertility

A number of countries have government campaigns to encourage couples to have children to increase the birth rate

http://uk.businessinsider.com/countries-becoming-demographic-time-bombs-2017-8

@luvsmall No, the onus is not on someone against mandatory abortions to come up with something else (and who on here actually stated they wanted to introduce mandatory abortions, because I've just re-read the thread and can't see anyone advocating that at all). I am merely asking you to join the debate in discussing that options there are NOW but also for the FUTURE. Because it's the future we should be worried about. And why shouldn't we refer to France's system of rewarding people for having more than three children and suggest that the reverse might be a better idea to counter overpopulation? The latter does not promote mandatory abortions, or tell anyone they cannot have children, just pushing the notion that fewer may be better for the long-term survival of the species you want to protect the human rights of.