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IWonderedLonelyAsACloud · 08/10/2018 13:49

I've name changed for this but I am a regular poster.

My DH is generally a lovely man. He is very vocally supportive of women’s rights and, as the father of a daughter, challenges obvious sexism when he sees it. It is one of the reasons I love him. However, something happened last night that makes me think that sexism is so ingrained within our society that even ‘nice’ men do not realise when they are being sexist.
Last night, I asked DH to massage my head – I had an awful headache. He did but was in a silly mood and kept pinching my nose – gently, but irritating. I asked him not to several times and he made a joke of pinching it. I said not to bother with the massage and got up, he apologised, said he was being silly and that he would do it properly. Then he started jokily tapping on my head which I said was painful and again, he carried on! At which point I got up and told him I wanted him to stop. I was mildly irritated because I just wanted him to rub my sore temples without being silly, but it was no big deal really. There was no malice in his actions, he was just being daft and I knew this, but I wasn’t in the mood for daftness, due to the headache. He then got the hump with me because I wouldn’t return to lying down let him ‘do it properly’. We watched TV and he started huffing and puffing that I had over reacted to his joke and that I was being unfair to him ‘just because he had misread the situation’. The truth was, I wasn’t mad at him in the first instance, I understood he was being silly but I didn’t like it so I stopped it. I gave him two chances to listen to me and he didn’t, so I said stop and that made him mardy at me! At this point I did get annoyed – because the only way I could have avoided him getting the hump was to allow him to continue ‘joking’ and not to have said no wasn’t it? When I put that statement to him, he then saw my point of view and apologised. But now I am annoyed. It annoys me that this nice, educated, reasonable man still thinks that his feelings should come before mine. I know it was a very small thing, but as a mother of a daughter it bothers me that they might ever be in a situation where they feel the need to go along with what a man wants to avoid him getting grumpy.
The thing that really bothers me though, is that in my 20’s, I’d have apologised when he got grumpy. Which is ridiculous. I am writing this down because I have been wrestling with it a bit today and I would just like some opinions. I know that the mumsnet jury will tell me if I am making a mountain out of a molehill.

OP posts:
MaryBoBary · 08/10/2018 13:52

Hi OP, you said that your husband is not sexist and stands up for women’s rights.

So what about your bicker about the head massage is sexist? What is it about what he did that made you think he was doing it because your a woman and he’s a man? I feel like this was just someone winding up someone else, and nothing at all to do with sexism. I think you are getting worked up about nothing.

steppemum · 08/10/2018 13:54

mountain, molehill.

I do get where you are coming from, and that there is the bigger discussion to be had about women/saying no etc.

But in this case, mountain, molehill

MakeAHouseAHome · 08/10/2018 13:55

I don't see what part of this is sexist? He may have irritated you with his teasing which I get may have been annoying, but it isn't sexist?

Celebelly · 08/10/2018 13:55

Ugh, that sounds really annoying. You made it clear that what he was doing was unwelcome and painful/irritating and he kept on doing it. I'm glad you didn't apologise as you had nothing to apologise for, and saying sorry just to keep the peace just enables someone to behave badly with zero consequences. However, it's hard to say if it's due to an inherent sexism or just a personality trait – some people just think their feelings are more important than anyone's and there's not a sex element to it, just general selfishness. Hopefully your daughter will have the confidence and self-assurance not to go along with another person's unwelcome actions just to avoid conflict, whether that person is male or female (we see plenty of threads on here about mothers and mother in laws where the same thing plays out).

AuntBeastie · 08/10/2018 13:55

I don’t necessarily think he was sexist but he was a twat.

SadieAB9 · 08/10/2018 13:55

I also don't really think this is to do with sexism. Nothing to do with this situation has anything to do with the fact that you're a woman and he's a man. I'd be annoyed too at him being irritating! But wouldn't link it to sexism?

Hideandgo · 08/10/2018 13:59

I think you’re overthinking the sexism angle. You think he kept doing it because he thinks he’s dominant to you and your feelings are worth less than his? If you genuinely think that why he kept acting like an annoying child then you’ve some very serious problems with this man. Sounds more like he was just being an annoying child.

IWonderedLonelyAsACloud · 08/10/2018 14:02

Thanks for the opinions - I take them on board. Since you have asked, I will explain that the reason why it feels a bit sexist to me is because I felt like he expected me, as his wife, to put his feelings first and go along with his unfunny joke. I felt a little bit like I wasn't 'allowed' to say no because I would hurt his feelings by saying no. Maybe I am wrong, I just feel like it is reflective of the world we live in - woman has to please man or he gets the hump.

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HmmmWellAllRightyThen · 08/10/2018 14:06

I don't see how that's sexist. Confused Immature and annoying? Yes. Sexist? No and I'm shocked he apologised for supposedly being sexist or was it just for being obnoxious?

Bombardier25966 · 08/10/2018 14:07

You don't do anything for women's rights by making every (non) issue into a claim of sexism. Are you like this with everything?

pixyflower · 08/10/2018 14:07

IWonderedLonelyAsACloud

I totally get what you're saying about the expectations to put DPs feelings first. I remember once my ex-DP got in a massive mood with me because I told him I didn't want him to read my poetry because it was personal (and some of it was written about him early stages of a teenage relationship!). He continued to try and read it on my laptop and I told him to close it. He then threw the laptop across the floor and told me to go fuck myself. He ignored me in the house for at least 2 days before I ended up apologizing and pandering to him for him to start talking to me.

I still look back and get angry!

I agree with you 100%, and do think its symptomatic of a sexist society

maras2 · 08/10/2018 14:12

Can't see the sexism but what an eejit.
Who TF does this to someone with a headache and then sulks when asked not to? Shock

PickledChutney · 08/10/2018 14:17

Are you part of the #metoo movement of something OP? Seriously overthinking the sexism there. Not everything is about sex/sexism/gender etc.

Bluntness100 · 08/10/2018 14:17

I can't see this sexism here either, I'm as likely to do the same to my daughter if she asked me to massage her head and I was in a playful mood.

Personally I think he was just mucking around and you are going a bit ott here. You keep making the poor bloke apologise too, at rhe time and then after, and you're now still on about it.

Next time take a headache tablet.

IWonderedLonelyAsACloud · 08/10/2018 14:17

No - I am really not like this with everything. I think my written description lacks the essence of how I felt in the situation. It felt like he was grumpy with me because I stopped him from doing what he liked to my face. I felt like, in order to avoid him being mad at me, I should have just gone along with it.

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codenameduchess · 08/10/2018 14:19

Not really sexist imo. A bit of a pathetic 'joke' and you then both had a strop but it's sexist because you've somehow connected it to being pressured into sex?

You felt like you couldn't say no but you did.

It's a stretch, I wouldn't worry about it.

Tbh I'd be more concerned that's what your dh thinks is funny.

IWonderedLonelyAsACloud · 08/10/2018 14:20

I didn't 'make' him apologise - I pointed out that I was absolutely fine with him being playful but didn't want to continue to head massage and he got mad at me. The only way I could have avoided him getting mad was to have gone along with it. Just saying 'okay stop now' and carrying on as normal and not being annoyed wasn't enough.

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RangeRider · 08/10/2018 14:20

Mountain out of molehill.
It's the sort of thing that sets equality for women back several paces.

Celebelly · 08/10/2018 14:20

@Bluntness100 Really? If your daughter had an 'awful headache' like in OP and asked for a massage to help alleviate it, you would purposefully be annoying and continue to be so even after being asked to stop because she found it painful or irritating? Yikes.

Racecardriver · 08/10/2018 14:21

Husband has done something I don't like he must be sexist. If he was a different race to you would he be racist as well? If you were a gay couple would it be internalised homophobia?

Bluelady · 08/10/2018 14:22

I can imagine this situation happening with a same sex couple so not in the least sexist. Annoying though.

WhatToDoAboutWailmerGoneRogue · 08/10/2018 14:23

No, that’s not sexist; you’re massively overreacting and creating an issue where there isn’t one.

If you wear the “all men are sexist it’s ingrained” tinted glasses then you’re going to ‘see’ it in places there’s nothing to see.

RangeRider · 08/10/2018 14:23

You could have said 'enough with the tapping, it's making the headache worse. Do your lovely massaging and make it better' (or something equally nauseating but making him feel appreciated so he doesn't get the hump)

grumiosmum · 08/10/2018 14:26

He was being annoying but I don't think his behaviour was sexist.

It could easily have been the other way around.

diddl · 08/10/2018 14:27

"Personally I think he was just mucking around "

But why would he when Op is trying to get rid of a headache?

I agree with overriding idea of women saying nothing to keep the peace though.

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