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IWonderedLonelyAsACloud · 08/10/2018 13:49

I've name changed for this but I am a regular poster.

My DH is generally a lovely man. He is very vocally supportive of women’s rights and, as the father of a daughter, challenges obvious sexism when he sees it. It is one of the reasons I love him. However, something happened last night that makes me think that sexism is so ingrained within our society that even ‘nice’ men do not realise when they are being sexist.
Last night, I asked DH to massage my head – I had an awful headache. He did but was in a silly mood and kept pinching my nose – gently, but irritating. I asked him not to several times and he made a joke of pinching it. I said not to bother with the massage and got up, he apologised, said he was being silly and that he would do it properly. Then he started jokily tapping on my head which I said was painful and again, he carried on! At which point I got up and told him I wanted him to stop. I was mildly irritated because I just wanted him to rub my sore temples without being silly, but it was no big deal really. There was no malice in his actions, he was just being daft and I knew this, but I wasn’t in the mood for daftness, due to the headache. He then got the hump with me because I wouldn’t return to lying down let him ‘do it properly’. We watched TV and he started huffing and puffing that I had over reacted to his joke and that I was being unfair to him ‘just because he had misread the situation’. The truth was, I wasn’t mad at him in the first instance, I understood he was being silly but I didn’t like it so I stopped it. I gave him two chances to listen to me and he didn’t, so I said stop and that made him mardy at me! At this point I did get annoyed – because the only way I could have avoided him getting the hump was to allow him to continue ‘joking’ and not to have said no wasn’t it? When I put that statement to him, he then saw my point of view and apologised. But now I am annoyed. It annoys me that this nice, educated, reasonable man still thinks that his feelings should come before mine. I know it was a very small thing, but as a mother of a daughter it bothers me that they might ever be in a situation where they feel the need to go along with what a man wants to avoid him getting grumpy.
The thing that really bothers me though, is that in my 20’s, I’d have apologised when he got grumpy. Which is ridiculous. I am writing this down because I have been wrestling with it a bit today and I would just like some opinions. I know that the mumsnet jury will tell me if I am making a mountain out of a molehill.

OP posts:
Juells · 08/10/2018 15:24

What an arse. Someone has a headache, so you annoy them by pinching nose and tapping head? Bollocks to that.

Twillow · 08/10/2018 15:25

You sound like you have a brilliant relationship and that he listened to your explanation and apologised is a long way further than a lot of relationships.
With regard to what you say about putting other's feelings first when you were younger, and feeling as if you should have let him carry on annoying you - yes, this is how sexism affects women insidiously - makes me think of Trump's ridiculous 'scary time for poor men' - when women continue to be scared walking down the street let alone in their homes. I went down a very short cut in the dark the other evening and had my car keys out jammed through my knuckles. I cannot imagine men have to consider that kind of thing while going about their everyday lives.

Ncusername · 08/10/2018 15:40

I don't think it's sexism, OP, but I get where you're coming from. In even the most successful relationships women are often expected to give way in order to pacify their partner and avoid potential conflict/grumpiness as 'punishment' for standing their ground.

The slow drip of this kind of constant acquiescence and appeasement (and the corresponding use of sulking as a means of exerting control) has done such damage to the balance of my marriage that the wheels almost came off completely a couple of years ago and we're still trying to work through the fallout now.

The situation you describe (although trivial on the surface) is one I absolutely recognise. I'm not for one moment suggesting you turn this into a major production - he was clearly just arsing around and misjudged your reaction - but if you feel undermined by it then you should listen to your instincts and not to all the people coming on here to tell you you're being ridiculous. There's something in it that's giving you pause for thought, and if I were you I'd have a proper chat with him about how he (and his subsequent sulking) made you feel in that scenario. I wish I'd done that with a hell of a lot more conviction 25 years ago. Just saying.

supersop60 · 08/10/2018 15:43

Another one here who agrees with curious
It IS a kind of low-level ingrained sexism as ncusername has just said.

TheOrigFV45 · 08/10/2018 15:43

Sexism: prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.

I think he was just being a twat.

ChimesAtMidnight · 08/10/2018 15:52

IWonderedLonelyAsACloud I get exactly what you're trying to say here and I don't know what label I'd use, but, yes, I do think it's an ingrained form of sexism.
I've witnessed this sort of behaviour between men and women a lot and it has always resulted in a massive strop on the male's part.

I absolutely agree with CuriousaboutSamphire

lexi727 · 08/10/2018 15:54

This is annoying, but not sexist

RangeRider · 08/10/2018 17:28

I've witnessed this sort of behaviour between men and women a lot and it has always resulted in a massive strop on the male's part.
Women can do the same amount of stropping too, trust me - same-sex relationship and toys thrown out of the pram. It's nothing to do with sexism, it's all about ego, not wanting to be wrong, and feeling embarrassed when you are wrong.

Unicornandbows · 08/10/2018 17:34

Wow

lilyheather1 · 08/10/2018 18:44

I think Aspergallus hit the nail on the head here. This is about your body autonomy and someone thinking they know it better.

Jux · 08/10/2018 19:38

women are often expected to give way in order to pacify their partner and avoid potential conflict/grumpiness as 'punishment' for standing their ground

That would be sexism then, wouldn't it?

IWonderedLonelyAsACloud · 08/10/2018 19:51

Thank you to those who have said they can see where I am coming from. I think the biggest thing that has bothered me is that I didn't like something DH was doing, I said several times I didn't like it, but HE got offended when I told him to stop and was stroppy with me. If it had been the other way around, I'd have just stopped the irritating thing. It wasn't him being silly and annoying that bothered me - it was him getting stroppy because I said stop. The poster who said that we have a strong relationship because I was able to explain it to him and he apologised is right and I am glad he saw it from my perspective eventually. But, a younger me would have apologised and felt bad that I had offended him. When, actually, he should have either stopped when asked or not caused a fuss when I told him to stop.

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redexpat · 08/10/2018 20:01

YANBU. Curious nailed it.

Here's a story about why Anna Kendrick of Pitch Perfect fame dumped a guy.
[https://www.thisisinsider.com/anna-kendrick-respecting-boundaries-in-relationships-2017-12]

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