Life after death?

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I was raised Catholic but have atheist beliefs, to me there is no proof of life after death ....but I desperately wish there was.

I wish I could believe that I will see all my relatives again, I miss them all so much & it’s so hard to think and once you die that’s it 😢

So AIBU to ask you all if you have seen anything that makes u believe in a life after death?

Mooji, Sadghuru, Adyashanti, Eckarte Tolle, Francis Lucillle, Rupert Spira to list but a few. They have you tube videos of teachings. One of them will resonate with you.

Thank you, I will read. I have read Eckarte Tolle, I was drawn to him during a period of quite awful anxiety and it hugely helped me and led me down this path of discovery. I also just finished Adyashanti, Falling into Grace.

noego, I love the username, very apt.

What happens if you let go of the thoughts, don't suppress them but don't believe them, let them pass like clouds in front of the sun.

That's CBT/mindfulness. I don't see what it has to do with an afterlife?

That's CBT/mindfulness. I don't see what it has to do with an afterlife?

It is what is present beneath the thoughts, the observer of the thoughts. It is not an 'afterlife' so much as eternal life. It is what endures before, during and after life.

@Songswithoutwords

It is what is present beneath the thoughts, the observer of the thoughts. It is not an 'afterlife' so much as eternal life. It is what endures before, during and after life

Exactly!! So there can be no life or death. Just experience. A spiritual being having a human experience.

Voila!! :)

It sounds lovely but without any reason to believe it I can't. There's no data that suggests people with this sort of take on spirituality have any less suffering or pain. I appreciate that people in pain often look to spirituality as a way of try to soothe themselves but there's no discernible difference in terms of contentment and acceptance in the lives of those with, and without spirituality.

but there's no discernible difference in terms of contentment and acceptance in the lives of those with, and without spirituality

Presuming you aren't talking about religion, How do you know this?

@headinhands

but there's no discernible difference in terms of contentment and acceptance in the lives of those with, and without spirituality

I think you will find that there is a discernible difference between those that 'know' and those that don't.

Those that 'know' understand that every emotion or thought is not permanent and will pass. They are not devoid of the experience, but realise that it is just an experience.

Can you tell us the thought and emotion you had at 8.00 last Wednesday? I would suggest you can't because it has passed. The body mind egoic identity will seek to hold onto it, whereas the knowingness will let it pass.

This study shows that 'spiritual' people are more likely to have mental health problems. I think it's fair to say that mental heath problems bring emotional suffering. Wouldn't you expect spiritual people to have less?

Or if you're going to constrict spirituality to a more narrow definition at least the people closer to it, such as those within the loose umbrella would be getting some benefit from it and maybe be less likely to suffer in this way, not in fact more as the study shows?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/9774259/Spiritual-people-at-higher-risk-of-mental-health-problems.html

Mooji, Sadghuru, Adyashanti, Eckarte Tolle, Francis Lucillle, Rupert Spira to list but a few. They have you tube videos of teachings. One of them will resonate with you."

You might want to have a quick look into the background and finances of these people before you decide to take spiritual guidance from them.

@headinhands

Wouldn't you expect spiritual people to have less?

Actually I wouldn't. Those on a spiritual path to enlightenment have many obstacles to overcome. Not withstanding the programming and conditioning over years and years of their lifetime.

A lot of Truth seekers come to a bridge across the ravine to awakening that they cannot cross for fear of losing their body mind identity. They understand enlightenment intellectually, but cannot let go of it.

Interesting study by UCL. I wonder what the results would have shown had they interviewed nearly 8,000 devoted Buddhists, Taoist, Zen or non dualistic followers?

Be careful of these things. None are believable.

That's the thing, I am not trying to convert or persuade anyone of anything. There is no point. It would be one mind arguing against another mind, the same pattern repeating again and again, causing conflict, causing suffering.

It is just my experience.

Actually I wouldn't. Those on a spiritual path to enlightenment have many obstacles to overcome.

If I could show you data that shows that people who have the same beliefs as you have poorer mental health than average would that go any way to changing your mind about your beliefs? (I'm just trying to establish how strong your beliefs are.)

Upthread you said I truly believe we are all consciousness. Most of us just don't realise this in life - which is the reason for all of the pain and suffering we endure personally and collectively.

I'm surprised therefore, that those 'who don't realise it' are less likely to be suffering emotionally.

(I've been on these threads long enough to hazard a guess at the explanation)

@headinhands

If I could show you data that shows that people who have the same beliefs as you have poorer mental health than average would that go any way to changing your mind about your beliefs? (I'm just trying to establish how strong your beliefs are.)

This is not a mind thing.

Please try to understand that this is a vision. It has nothing to do with the mind, the body, intellectual arguments or beliefs.

You keep looking outside of yourself for answers, the egoic mind is driving you to prove that there is right and wrong. I can only imagine the emotions you are going through.

There is no right or wrong. It just is.

You won't find the answer in the mind or anyone else's mind. In fact the mind stops you from experiencing this.

I can only imagine the emotions you are going through.

According to the data probably nicer ones than your fellow believers.

the egoic mind is driving you to prove that there is right and wrong.

It's not right and wrong, it's whats closest to reality out of the possible explanations on offer. To quote someone else, forget who it was 'I just want to believe in as few untrue things, and as many true things as possible.'

You won't find the answer in the mind

No other part of my body can think though.

"You won't find the answer in the mind or anyone else's mind. In fact the mind stops you from experiencing this"
Honestly? This sounds like bollocks to me. Could you explain to me why it isn't?

why did you ask ?

I do like the idea of an afterlife and god but one thing troubles me and I haven't been able to work it out

If god made us who made god?

Anyone got any good answers (not - it's beyond our understanding/its magic)

Rather than write a thousand words.......

If you stay with it you may discover something

If there really was an afterlife someone somewhere sometime would have cracked coming back to tell us all about it and provided irrefutable proof for the sceptics.

Either no-one ever (even super intelligent scientific brains) in recorded history has been able to do it or... it ain't so.

Either no-one ever (even super intelligent scientific brains) in recorded history has been able to do it or... it ain't so

OR..... they don't want to!

Spirituality and MH

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2010/jan/05/religion-buddhism