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To ask why fish don't count?

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Biancadelriosback · 01/10/2018 19:44

Okay, so I'm watching the island on catch up and I genuinely don't understand something. One of the guys is not happy that the rest of the group want to kill the pig for food. He says he is dead set against taking a life if it can be avoided...yet he is actively fishing, casting nets and eating fish.
I just don't understand and I've always been curious, why don't fish count? Do pescatarian's eat crab and squid etc as well as fish? Genuine genuine question, I just can't get my head around it

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Biancadelriosback · 02/10/2018 09:48

I found him mildly annoying at first but last week I felt quite a strong dislike for him. The cheering at the unsuccessful hunt, hoping they failed and being very vocal about it when another (few) camp members were struggling with the lack of protein and food. One girl even left because of it and you know she would have stayed if she wasn't made to feel evil for wanted food! He ruined other people's experiences because of his goady behaviour.

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MimiSunshine · 02/10/2018 09:54

I’ve been watching The Island and wondering the same thing. Just seems hugely hypocritical and I bet he’ll eat the bloody shark next week if that “accidentally” dies too

Not eating the pig after it died for me was shameful, what a waste of a life when they were on a starvation diet.
The problem was is that Pete is very vocal and forceful but they mostly all really like him as he’s done a lot to ensure a good camp.

They’re all very aware that it’s going out on TV and as he said himself, he was hugely concerned about how this would affect how people saw him. So no one is really willing to go against him and kill / eat the pig for fear of being demonised.

The bloody near Viking funeral send off for the pig was insane and Anthony really made me laugh in his secret comments to camera.

As for tying it up, clearly that was always a stupid idea but cognitive reasoning ability is low when you're that hungry.

senua · 02/10/2018 10:06

They showed clips from next week's show. Man-who-won't-eat-meat meets shark-who-does-eat-Man. I'm looking forward to it.Grin

I was amazed that the group wouldn't eat the pig. All I could think of was that they are that far into the process (only a few days left?) that they thought they might as well carry on being meatless.
Every other group on The Island has caught & killed meat and not faced any backlash.

MelonBuffet · 02/10/2018 10:06

I watched it last night after reading this thread and he’d even mentioned before tying it up that if they tied it up it might strangle itself. Then he tied it up anyway Sad

I can’t believe the poor thing died for nothing - how on earth he can justify leaving it to rot at sea as more dignified than feeding several very hungry people after the farce of its death I don’t know.

I actually found him quite amusing and engaging apart from the gloatin when their hunt was unsuccessful. This just made it clear that it was all about him and what people would think of him. Even after it died he was all “oh I’ll have to leave if you eat it” and “I wanted to show I was different and now people will think badly of me”. Self centred prick.

KinCat · 02/10/2018 10:06

Fish are so cute and lovely. Some of them have monogamous relationships and some are really curious when you go scuba diving - they will swim alongside and look at you.

OutPinked · 02/10/2018 10:07

For me it's because they aren't (usually) farmed.

Not true.

I think it’s because it hasn’t been proven that fish are sentinel beings. Until they can actively prove that fish have feelings and feel pain, some people won’t find them as important. Cows and pigs have emotional intelligence, apparently chickens do to some extent but fish... not so much.

QueenofmyPrinces · 02/10/2018 10:08

I’ve got a friend who sings from the rooftops that she’s a vegetarian to anyone who wants to listen. She also eats sausages and chicken nuggets as they don’t count apparently....

AliasGrape · 02/10/2018 10:21

I went pescatarian 2 years or so ago, I’m not vegetarian and don’t call myself that, but other people do and I’m always correcting them, I know I’m falling short of being a vegetarian. My FIL also eats fish not other meat and refers to himself as vegetarian which irritates me but not my place to correct him. It used to drive me insane at uni I lived with two utterly idiotic judgemental mean girls who looked down on the rest of us because we ate meat (once sniffily referred to as ‘things with faces’) but they themselves are chicken and fish. I asked them once if chicken and fish were plants then, they just sniffed at me in a superior fashion.

I haven’t got all the answers as to why I’ve made the choices I have - I stopped feeling comfortable eating meat (mammals and birds) due to issues with farming and slaughter, if I could guarantee that all animals were kept in ideal conditions and then killed quickly and humanely I probably would have kept eating them (though if I had that guarantee now I wouldn’t go back to eating them as I don’t think I could now).

Why did I think fish didn’t count? I’m not totally clear on that if I’m honest. It was hard to give up meat and so it became kind of a process - still eating fish was a step on the way. I relied upon it a lot at first, now I eat very little and make more properly veggie choices. I’m conscious of sourcing and only buy/eat sustainable and responsibly sourced but I know that doesn’t actually answer the question. There’s something in the back of my mind about eating wild fish that are going to exist and be eaten by larger predators anyway, rather than only breeding and keeping farmed animals for the sole purpose of killing and eating them, but that’s kind of a cop out though it makes some sense to me.

At the end of the day, it’s a bit of a shitty compromise on my part and I own that, but it’s my personal choice that I don’t try to impose on anyone else, and I don’t judge anyone else either.

I can’t watch The Island but I have massive issues with the series a while back when they killed the pig so awfully and inexpertly so as to cause maximum distress all round. What a dreadful and needlessly cruel thing to do. Don’t give a fuck that you’re ‘in the wild, trying to survive’ - you don’t have to be there, you’re not shipwrecked or survivors of the zombie apocalypse, you’re making a tv programme. So either teach participants how to do it properly, or send an expert in to do it, or make the pig off limits - I don’t care that it would temporarily ruin the illusion that you’re in a real survival situation, the production team was never going to let you die.

Mushroomsarehorrible · 02/10/2018 10:26

They do count, well to me, anyway, fish are amazing, intelligent, curious creatures. I dive a lot and I'm always taken aback by their personalities. Some are even affectionate! And what's all this 'fish aren't meat' nonsence. What else is the flesh of a fish if it isn't 'meat', ie the proteinous flesh of an animal.

I guess telling yourself fish flesh isn't meat makes it easier for people to stomach.

By the way, sea slaughter methods are by no means 'humane'. Imagine suphocating for up to two hours with your head bashed in and a hook embedded in your mouth.

Blondblimpo · 02/10/2018 10:27

Of course fish have red blood Hmm
And why do you find fish farming more disgusting any other sort of farming?

theymademejoin · 02/10/2018 10:27

@ poster Gammeldragz - I have several vegetarian friends who eat fish

No you don't. You have several friends who are pescatarians.

This really pisses me off. If you are vegetarian, you don't eat any meat, including fish. This creates problems in restaurants as you end up being offered fish as a vegetarian option because of all these people who claim to be vegetarian while tucking into fish and chips.

Mushroomsarehorrible · 02/10/2018 10:29
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DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 02/10/2018 10:29

To ask why fish don't count?

Because they don't have fingers and toes?

theymademejoin · 02/10/2018 10:30

@AliasGrape - My FIL also eats fish not other meat and refers to himself as vegetarian which irritates me

I have a family member who used to do the same. I always asked them had they given up fish whenever they announced they were vegetarian. Funnily enough, they never refer to themselves as a vegetarian in front of me any more Grin

Racecardriver · 02/10/2018 10:31

Because they burst forth from the rovers and seas instead of being dirty mating creatures so their flesh shall not taint your lenten fast.

WhatWouldLeslieKnopeDo · 02/10/2018 10:33

A pescatarian once told me it was because fish don't have souls and won't be reincarnated Confused

Birdsgottafly · 02/10/2018 11:11

""A pescatarian once told me it was because fish don't have souls and won't be reincarnated ""

And yet if you dream about fish, then you need to think about the meaning of your life and your spiritual well-being.

I've often though that when lobsters and salmon are displayed whole and people take pieces of them. Or Crabs in their shells. We wouldn't like it if we constructed a lamb out of its parts.

I hate to see fish gasping for air on the television, we wouldn't show an animal being drowned.

Biancadelriosback · 08/10/2018 21:41

So the pig got a fucking burial at sea but the shark got a blade through the head and eaten? Logic.

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SneakyGremlins · 08/10/2018 22:25

I've killed fish but beheaded them as soon as possible after I caught them so no flopping around.

brilliant username OP

groundcontroltomontydon · 09/10/2018 00:01

This is a survival show.
It's entertainment. It's risk assessed and insured. No one's going starve to death. Survival doesn't enter into it.

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