Macron is a hero AIBU

[Hazardswan]

Obviously he isn't always a hero and you don't always get the hero you want or need. However a hero he is for the simple fact he had the honesty to state the obvious that the British people were lied to in the run up to the referendum.

If he was a full time hero he should have added more details of the current fuckery that is ongoing but alas he was only brave for a moment.

Right, but if it ends up being Macron against the FN again (which is entirely possible) that means you will either vote with me or you will not vote, so you were talking bollocks there, eh.

You're right, in that scenario we won't cancel each other out, but even if that is what happens in the second round next time (far from guaranteed) the second round of a presidential election is a pretty small proportion of French elections overall so I don't think I was talking complete nonsense.

Mmm, but it is the part which decides who the president is going to be, so quite important in the grand scheme of things really.

Agreed we need better looking PMs...at the moment we have TM who is a corpse bride and Jeremy Corb as options...that man has no sparkle or balls. Nada.

Remember when America had this man

You know, Haz, I don't think Obama did the Remain side any favours. He was speaking the truth but to a lot of voters it was Johnny Foreigner telling us plucky Brits what to do.

I know right? What's wrong with us? Uglies tell us lies and we're YEAH FEED ME LIES UGO! Handsome tell us the truth and we're all YOUR FOREIGN.

Maybe we believe ugly people must be truthful because no one gets looks and integrity or something

I'm so jealous of Michelle.

Controversial....David Lammy, does he have the sparkle? not sure. He does have kind eyes, stood up for glenfall and spoke honestly about it - hero there but is he the hero we need and want now?

Nice smile

At first glance I thought macron was OK.
But, seeing him from the front I can see a slight Tony Blair look across the eyes so that put me off.

Re Obama I think it came across as patronising but more than that, its too ironic that the US who broke away from the UK control, Hamilton musical etc all exploding round that time, his comments seemed a little unaware. I really like Obama but I agree his comments for all sorts of reasons didn't resonate well at all. Especially not from the states!

The French like a good strike.
When the UK has left, any 'upset' that is caused to some elements in France could cause pandemonium at the ports. You may end up begging Mr Macron to break up strikes or 'go slow'.
I think Farmers and the police are in the same union, so may not stop pairs of tractors traveling at 2 Km/h to delay trucks. You won't have any EU friends to lobby against it.
Scallops anyone?

I think I might go and live in France, will I be allowed to that after Brexit?
Oh but I don't think anyone really knows that, do they?

There are plenty of people from non-EU countries who have moved to France to live and work. It becomes a bit more difficult after Brexit for UK citizens but it is unlikely to be harder than it is for an American.
The French government are currently writing up their plans for UK citizens living in France. Time will tell.

As for Macron, if only I could, I would!

No travel or movement will be allowed after brexit

That will be it I'm afraid.
Everything will grind to a halt including people's voice boxes. No communication nothing

Soz.

It becomes a bit more difficult after Brexit for UK citizens but it is unlikely to be harder than it is for an American.

It's actually quite hard for Americans.

The French are rapidly getting sick of Macrons poor record on employment

Obama on Brexit was painful.

He genuinely sees the EU as a United States of Europe in the making and said Brexit was a 'hiccup' on the road to full European integration. Seriously.

*It becomes a bit more difficult after Brexit for UK citizens but it is unlikely to be harder than it is for an American.

It's actually quite hard for Americans.*

Certainly, but do you think that member states will peevishly make it more difficult for a UK citizen than an American one? I think that is unlikely even in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
Who knows.
I just hope someone has a lightbulb moment as réalisés that actually, Brexit is not in the interests of the country as has the balls to do something about it.

*and has the balls

No I don't think they will make it more difficult, but when people use the example of Americans I think they don't quite realise how difficult it actually is for an American to move to France and establish themselves there. If you're transferred to France for work or recruited directly into a role where they need someone with your skills and can't find an EU citizen then it's a bit easier (although there's still a hell of a lot of paperwork). If you come over on a student or temporary work visa and then get together with a French citizen then you might be able to get a partner visa, but even if you get married it's still very complicated and there are no guarantees. You definitely can't just rock up in France and look for a job if you're American. (I did that when I was 24 and ended up getting a job that an American was having to leave because she couldn't get her visa extended and was being kicked out.)

Totally agree with you about Brexit but it's looking pretty hopeless at the moment.

There are plenty of people from non-EU countries who have moved to France to live and work. It becomes a bit more difficult after Brexit for UK citizens but it is unlikely to be harder than it is for an American.

It's really quite hard for Americans and notably, you have to have a job and (I think) accommodation and school places (if you have kids) before you get your visa confirmation. Which introduces some interesting catch 22s.

We moved to France prior to free movement. I had a job, my then DP was going to spend a year doing up our house. We had about £120k cash in the bank (a lot of money in the 1990s) and owned our French property outright. DP as a non-worker was refused a residents' card and we had to marry before he could become a legal resident. It is really NOT that easy.

And speaking as a Macron-sceptic, part of Macron's problem is that he's actually getting on with the job and doing stuff. Not all of which I agree with btw, but he is doing what he said he would. DH's small business has been able to nearly double its turnover as a direct result.

I'm glad he called out the brexit liars. This is definitely a Macron moment I can get 100% behind.

Misti / Ethel

These are the requirements for a Third Country citizen which UK citizen will be in the event of a no-deal Brexit. To me that doesn't look very different to what you describe is required for Americans.
Even if you manage to bag yourself a Frenchman, it is four years before the French government will recognise the marriage as a valid reason to grant residency.

Foreign nationals wishing to reside in France for more than 90 days, whether for personal reasons (family reunion, retirement, etc.) or professional reasons (starting up a business, taking up paid employment, etc.), must submit a long-stay visa application to the French consular authorities in their country of residence.

Find the relevant diplomatic or consular authority

This type of visa allows the holder to live in France for a specified period.

During this validity period, it grants the holder the same rights as the holder of a temporary residence permit or multi-year residence permit. It also allows the holder to apply to the Préfecture in their place of residence for a residence permit so they can stay in France.

The appropriate type of long-stay visa depends on the reason for the stay:

To work or invest in France:
The ‘Posted employee ICT’ visa for intra-company transfers.
The ‘Talent Passport’ visa and its 10 categories, for the purposes of applying for a multi-year Talent Passport residence permit for all planned stays of over 12 months. For all stays of under one year, a VLS-TS is granted.
The ‘working holiday’ visa for eligible young foreign nationals.
To study:
The ‘student’ visa (VLS-TS).
The ‘school-age minor’ visa.
To undertake an internship or training: The visa for ‘interns and young professionals in training’ (VLS-TS).
For tourist, family or personal visits or business travel: The ‘visitor’ visa (VLS-TS).
For family reunification.
Taken from www.welcometofrance.com/en/applying-for-a-long-stay-visa

Actually, I think we are arguing the same point.
I'm not saying it is easy for an American to move to France.
Neither will it be very easy for a UK citizen post no-deal.

But my point was that it is unlikely to be harder for a UK citizen than an American.

I don't think he seriously has our interests at heart. Why would he? This is all very odd.

Even if you manage to bag yourself a Frenchman, it is four years before the French government will recognise the marriage as a valid reason to grant residency.

That's when you're eligible for citizenship through marriage (assuming you're already living together in France). You can get a visa to live in France with a French partner even if you're not married (my American friend did) but there are a lot of administrative hoops to jump through.

I don't think we are disagreeing with each other but I do think it's interesting that people tend to give Americans as examples of how things are likely to be for us post Brexit. Isn't there a sort of assumption of first world privilege in that? I mean, it probably is easier to get a visa to travel or live in Europe if you're a US passport holder as opposed to, say, an Iraqi passport holder. And I don't think British passport holders are likely to be considered high risk from a security point of view. But it's not necessarily a given that we will have the same treatment as Americans, or even that it's simple for Americans in the first place.