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Is food poverty real?

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Leapfrog44 · 18/09/2018 20:00

Provocative title, sorry I know food poverty is real. I'm just not convinced about the extent of it.

I've cooked half a packet of dried chickpeas 50p which we eat fried with garlic, salt and olive oil. They're also delicious with pasta or with potatoes as a curry. Braised Puy lentils (60p) cooked with onions, celery and the bendy carrots left in the fridge.

And to really push the boat out an aubergine stew with onions and tomatoes. The 3 big aubergines cost £1.50. Tomatoes and parsley came from the garden.

I spent an hour cooking today including making a loaf of bread. With some rice or couscous, and some salad, what I've made will feed us for 4 nights.

We have apples too, foraged at the weekend. The windfall ones I cut the bad off and stewed them, the rest are good for eating. There are also elderberries, plums and a few late blackberries dotted around the margins of the city for anyone who can be bothered to go out and pick them.

I know not everyone has a garden but a very small space can be used to grow quite a lot. In pots I grew enough tomatoes, green beans and lettuce to feed us all summer. If I was less lazy or more skint, I'd also seed save, to ensure I can grow them for free next year. Many allotment holders would totally give up some produce in exchange for labour too.

So I guess I'm wondering if the increasing number of people who are in financial dire staits and find themselves needing to use food banks are in fact suffering from a lack of food education as much as lack of money? Our grandparents in the same situation would have cultivated every bit of earth with home grown vegetables and I'm sure would have been more resourceful and more capable of making do on very little.

Obviously there are very vulnerable people without the means to cook or to grow but surely not everyone experiencing 'food poverty' is in this category? I often wonder why at food banks they don't ask if recipients have access to a bit of ground (or a few pots) and give them seeds? Pulses and in season veggies are incredibly cheap and with a few quid you can feed your family really well if you know how to cook them. It's far better to cook a simple vegetable curry or dhal and eat it all week than have to exist on the pot noodles, tinned sludge, sugary cereals and biscuits that they're giving out.

Times are going to get MUCH tougher. Climate change and environmental destruction will soon jeopardise our food security and food banks will not be able to help everyone.

So AIBU? As a society are we actually getting poorer and hungrier or have we just raised a couple of generations lacking general resourcefulness, cooking skills and horticultural know how? Times are tough for increasing numbers but I can't help feeling that many of these people just don't have a clue how to help themselves.

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NannyR · 18/09/2018 20:36

People accessing food banks need food immediately to get them through short term (to start with) hunger, what use is giving them seeds so they can grow food for a couple of months time?
And as pp have said, cooking pulses from scratch takes a lot of costly energy, tinned ones are quicker but you still need to add spices and other storecupboard ingredients to make them tasty, which a lot of people don't have and can't afford to buy (I know that once you have a good selection of herbs and spices etc in your cupboard, the cost per meal is pennies, but the initial outlay is beyond many people).

HaroldsSocalledBluetits · 18/09/2018 20:36

Yeah, Hermione, I agree about the space. My grandparents had a really quite big plot of land and it was all utilitarian stuff on it - fruit, veg, space for chickens. It still wasn't enough to feed everyone and they knew what they were doing.

SilverHairedCat · 18/09/2018 20:36

@dontcallmelen sorry, do you mean me?

katmarie · 18/09/2018 20:37

It takes months to grow tomatoes or other veg. It takes financial outlay to buy seeds, and possibly pots and compost, and time and effort to care for them, if you're on a water meter then it costs directly to water them too. This is of course assuming you have the space.

Lentils are cheap enough, olive oil less so. But fundamentally the issue isn't about people needing to try harder or grow more for themselves. The issue is that people live in one of the most developed countries in the world and yet still can't afford decent healthy food. That's not a problem you can attribute to individuals not trying hard enough, that is a social problem. One we all have a responsibility to fix.

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 18/09/2018 20:37

You have the luxury of time though, OP.

Bread, cooking chickpeas from dried, foraging, faffing around with aubergines, it all takes time. And there are hidden costs - electricity, lots of pots to wash out, spices and so on.

I'm happy to do it over the weekend, everyday, hell no.
It's not sustainable long term, every day, when you are frustrated by lack of money, lack of time and simply want something filling quickly.

As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

bushtailadventures · 18/09/2018 20:39

You know it's cheaper to cook a tray of value chips and fish fingers than it is to cook most things from scratch? There were times when my dc went to bed having had jam sandwiches for tea too, Value bread was about 20p a loaf at the time, jam not much more, but it was all we could afford and I could make the credit on the meter last a little bit longer.

Thankfully those days are behind us now, but I feel for anyone who finds themselves in similar situations

BootsMagoots · 18/09/2018 20:39

Come and work in my office for a week and you'll soon learn how real it is. I'm sorry you sound out of touch with real life.

Userplusnumbers · 18/09/2018 20:40

There's alsorts of issues at play here OP, while you eat quite cheaply, you sound quite 'time rich'

Travelling 90 minutes either way on buses across a city at the end of a ten hour work day, plus the overtime you might pick up on your day off doesn't leave loads of time for foraging for apples on the outskirts of the city.

It's really unfair to people in that situation to isolate the one variable, as though the rest of their life has no impact on the choices they make.

RedSuitcase · 18/09/2018 20:40

Try living in a bed sit on job seakers allowance and see how much electric it uses on your key meter to boil your chick peas

I have literally done this Hmm and worked my way out of the situation. It's completely possible in all but the most extreme cases

sonicshoegazes · 18/09/2018 20:40

Don't feed the troll with more lentils!!! BiscuitAngry

BabySharkDooDooDooDoo · 18/09/2018 20:40

Like someone is going to be all "oh ive no money left after paying my rent and bils but its okay foraging will feed me for 3wks Hmm

nuttynutjob · 18/09/2018 20:41

Please volunteer at your local food Bank as I think you're living in a bubble. I mean this in the nicest possible way.

lowtide · 18/09/2018 20:41

Store cupboard goods are a luxury for some. Fine some cumin, dried chilli, bottle of oil, garlic, salt, onions, that might get you 20 meals with a bag of lentils
But that outlay is about £5- it’s about having cash at that moment. More than anything and then the cost of cooking it.
Bag of chips from the chippy, between three. £1. Which would you choose if you had to put money in the electric that day. And £3 of electric would mean you wouldn’t be cold.

RabbityMcRabbit · 18/09/2018 20:41

OP where are you??

Motherhood101Fail · 18/09/2018 20:41

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Tawdrylocalbrouhaha · 18/09/2018 20:41

I don't really want to go around to your house for tea.

GogoGobo · 18/09/2018 20:42

Yabu. And very insensitive.

lowtide · 18/09/2018 20:43

I would love a pork pie and a can of shandy! And I would have loved it even more as a kid

TwinkleTwonkle · 18/09/2018 20:44

OP, you do realise you can't just rock up at a food bank because you can't cook, you need to be referred and take a signed slip with you Hmm.

Bluntness100 · 18/09/2018 20:44

Op, I'm really not sure what your intention was here. Your post comes across as smug and superior and someone who has never experienced real poverty.

Bluelady · 18/09/2018 20:44

Yup, this is "Let them eat cake" for the 21st century all right.

Aaaahfuck · 18/09/2018 20:45

Loads of pp's have put my points across more eloquently than I have the patience to right now. Just be greatful you're in a position to feed yourself well on the cheap. What was the purpose of your post other than goading and gloating?

Userplusnumbers · 18/09/2018 20:45

@RedSuitcase

I have literally done this hmm and worked my way out of the situation. It's completely possible in all but the most extreme cases

By foraging for apples? Because that is what the OP is literally suggesting. No one is saying its impossible, but that the issue is a bit more complex than the OP thinks.

HelenaDove · 18/09/2018 20:45

Alles if eating healthily really is cheaper then surely nursing homes wouldnt be serving food like this.......

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3360945-That-old-people-deserve-nice-food

Frusso · 18/09/2018 20:46

You have no idea do you OP? Are you really that naive or clueless? Have you ever made the choice between food and electric meter?

How much electric is needed to cook that loaf of bread, and how much to buy all the ingredients? because I'm sure a cheap loaf is cheaper. And if i have £5 to divide between food and whether to put on the leccy meter, making a loaf of bread isn't going to happen however much I know how to make it, i can't afford to make it.

And I don't think you get it that when you are living in poverty you don't have stock items in your cupboards, you have nothing in your cupboards, there is no bendy carrot at the bottom of the fridge, there's fuck all in the fridge! you don't buy salt; it's a luxury, as is garlic, and curry powder. And olive oil! Christ even I can't afford olive oil as a regular buy, and I'm not in poverty!
3 big aubergines for £1.50, and you say it like they're cheap, that's not cheap! when you have no money you need filling and cheap, not a poncy aubergine.

Where I used to live there were no allotments, there were no windfall apples, plums. The odd blackberry, yeah, but that isn't going to help much. And it damn well isn't going to help in winter when it's freezing.

And the cost of seeds, compost, plant pots, to put them where?
And when you're living hand to mouth, spending money on something that isn't going to feed you for a few months is not priority, and it's not realistic.

Priority is eating tonight.
Realistic is knowing you'll give most of your share to your kid.

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