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Is food poverty real?

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Leapfrog44 · 18/09/2018 20:00

Provocative title, sorry I know food poverty is real. I'm just not convinced about the extent of it.

I've cooked half a packet of dried chickpeas 50p which we eat fried with garlic, salt and olive oil. They're also delicious with pasta or with potatoes as a curry. Braised Puy lentils (60p) cooked with onions, celery and the bendy carrots left in the fridge.

And to really push the boat out an aubergine stew with onions and tomatoes. The 3 big aubergines cost £1.50. Tomatoes and parsley came from the garden.

I spent an hour cooking today including making a loaf of bread. With some rice or couscous, and some salad, what I've made will feed us for 4 nights.

We have apples too, foraged at the weekend. The windfall ones I cut the bad off and stewed them, the rest are good for eating. There are also elderberries, plums and a few late blackberries dotted around the margins of the city for anyone who can be bothered to go out and pick them.

I know not everyone has a garden but a very small space can be used to grow quite a lot. In pots I grew enough tomatoes, green beans and lettuce to feed us all summer. If I was less lazy or more skint, I'd also seed save, to ensure I can grow them for free next year. Many allotment holders would totally give up some produce in exchange for labour too.

So I guess I'm wondering if the increasing number of people who are in financial dire staits and find themselves needing to use food banks are in fact suffering from a lack of food education as much as lack of money? Our grandparents in the same situation would have cultivated every bit of earth with home grown vegetables and I'm sure would have been more resourceful and more capable of making do on very little.

Obviously there are very vulnerable people without the means to cook or to grow but surely not everyone experiencing 'food poverty' is in this category? I often wonder why at food banks they don't ask if recipients have access to a bit of ground (or a few pots) and give them seeds? Pulses and in season veggies are incredibly cheap and with a few quid you can feed your family really well if you know how to cook them. It's far better to cook a simple vegetable curry or dhal and eat it all week than have to exist on the pot noodles, tinned sludge, sugary cereals and biscuits that they're giving out.

Times are going to get MUCH tougher. Climate change and environmental destruction will soon jeopardise our food security and food banks will not be able to help everyone.

So AIBU? As a society are we actually getting poorer and hungrier or have we just raised a couple of generations lacking general resourcefulness, cooking skills and horticultural know how? Times are tough for increasing numbers but I can't help feeling that many of these people just don't have a clue how to help themselves.

OP posts:
Luscinia · 21/09/2018 10:15

It's getting a bit 'let them eat cake' on here.

HalfDivided · 21/09/2018 10:21

Awwlookatmybabyspider

Really? It’s true. I’m not saying everyone can achieve absolutely anything if they want it enough. I’m saying exactly what I’m saying. It IS amazing. I am proud of my achievements, I know many people who have done the same to progress, I’m not special. But I have worked damn hard and I won’t pretend it wasn’t a combination of hard bloody work and sheer tenacity and a desire to succeed (and of course a lot of luck in being in a position to even have those opportunities to grasp).

You sound bitter.

cathf · 21/09/2018 10:21

Oh for goodness sake Dumela! Who? Who drinks dirty water to keep their sides together?
This is straying into the realms of fantasy now, but on that basis, you win the prize

HalfDivided · 21/09/2018 10:23

And I’d sure as hell rather have the outlook I do than be someone who scrabbles around to find every excuse under the sun as to why I can’t do something.

You really think working eighty hours week for two years with a painful disability while grieving for a better future is ‘i’m alright jack’? Have some bloody empathy.

HalfDivided · 21/09/2018 10:26

Human beings can do amazing things when they’re under pressure and need to push themselves to survive. Surely that’s something to marvel at and promote? Not something to sneer at? What a weird approach Awwlookatmybabyspider. I’m not ashamed that things haven’t been easy for me and I just cannot figure out how you’re linking any of what I’ve said to ‘I’m alright Jack’.

How much time and effort do you spend each week helping others and volunteering? I’m the furthest from ‘I’m alright Jack’ you could imagine.

I don’t even know why I’m responding to your nonsensical statement, I guess I’m trying to understand what you mean as you’re making very little sense unless it literally is just that you want to bring someone else down, in which case I feel sorry for you.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 21/09/2018 10:29

No I'm not bitter. I have no reason to be
Hence why I don't hide it by bragging.!!!

Courtney555 · 21/09/2018 10:31

@halfdivided you couldn't be more right!

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 21/09/2018 10:40

@halfdivided you couldn't be more right

When I want the parrot I'll shake the seeds.Hmm

JellyBaby666 · 21/09/2018 10:42

Anyone who thinks food poverty isn't real needs to read this; cookingonabootstrap.com/2012/07/30/hunger-hurts/ and acknowledge their privilege and sit the fuck down.

HalfDivided · 21/09/2018 10:46

So care to explain how my quoted statement is in any way related to the ‘I’m alright jack’ attitude?

Or... can’t you? Hmm

Allergictoironing · 21/09/2018 10:46

I think with some people they get to the stage that when the Gods have shit on them from a great height for the umpteenth time they lose that will to fight.

I came close to that a couple of times over the years, but with a mixture of the brains I was lucky enough to be born with and my slightly unorthodox upbringing I managed to haul myself out of it, with a lot of help from a few people I was lucky enough to have in my life at the time. I recognise that I am fortunate to have those people around me, so I don't judge those who don't have that support and back up when it all gets too much for them to keep fighting.

Courtney555 · 21/09/2018 10:55

The deliberate inability to understand is embarrassing on this thread @halfdivided

People like you, I, several others on this post alone, blow the laziness and excuses out of the water. Somewhat lose their credibility, insisting "it can't be done" when there's several saying, "but.... I've done it"

All that's left for them is to professionally misinterpret.

All the time and energy to do that eh Hmm

serbska · 21/09/2018 11:18

God are we back to linking to JM's blog.

Her entire brand and raison d'etre is 'being hungry and poor'

Neshoma · 21/09/2018 11:22

BlueLady

As a tax payer who's funding those benefits(.....for the people using accountants.....) I find the entire scenario distasteful and offensive, as well as morally bankrupt.

So you must also find people on Benefits distasteful and offensive as they also received taxpayers money??

Well done for holding down two jobs Courtney!

cathf · 21/09/2018 11:27

As I said in my first post, I think the majority of posters on this thread have not experienced poverty or living in very low incomes, but for some reason seem to think they are experts and enjoy projecting how awful it must be.
Does anyone - anyone - really know an actual person with no kitchen or cooking utensils who lives on dirty water?

PhilomenaButterfly · 21/09/2018 11:42

CaveMaman also children with diseases that mean that they have to have a cupboard full of high fat snacks, just to prevent them from starving to death. Not an exaggeration.

Courtney555 · 21/09/2018 11:53

Does anyone - anyone - really know an actual person with no kitchen or cooking utensils who lives on dirty water?

I understand what you mean by asking if anyone can draw on personal life experience of such things.

The point we're trying to make, is that a lot of people, if they made a little provision for themselves, or stopped making excuses why its anyone's fault but their own that they do nothing to help the situation, then things improve.

In the same way, can't we relate to your example. It would appear that they can't relate to our example that involves stopping the excuses and taking responsibility for yourself.

I had no cooking utensils. At 18, moved into a room in a house with three boys. I was broke. There was not even a pan. The cooker, only one of the rings worked, and the fridge didn't work, but the freezer compartment did.

I went to a carboot sale that Sunday and bought two pans, some utensils and some oven gloves (fuck knows why, the oven didn't work) for £4. They looked old and shabby, but they worked. So yes, I do know someone that didn't have any utensils. And I know a half hour jaunt to a carboot or charity shop is about the effort it takes to rectify that.

It's said like it's some big deal. It's that simple to correct. If you only have £2 then you only get one pan.

If as an adult, you hadn't thought prior, to put £2 to one side in case of a crisis, then that's down to you.

PhilomenaButterfly · 21/09/2018 11:58

That I will agree with Courtney. Both my DF and my DH are or were using accountants and claiming housing benefit. DF still is, DH was forced on to JSA by the housing benefit office. Now he's on WTC.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 21/09/2018 11:59

A lot of people out there don't even have a spare penny to put aside, FFS. let alone £2.
Your living on planet Courtney, hun!!!!!
This is real life.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 21/09/2018 11:59

You're sorry not your

5bobaweek · 21/09/2018 12:02

I know many 'actual' people in those circumstances. I work with offenders or alleged offenders.

After a prison sentence, having served anything upwards of 14 days (so could be years and years) with a discharge grant of £46.

Many coming out have no home and no job. Benefits take weeks to sort out, provided you have the literacy and functional skills to sort that out. Many don't.

That's if you were convicted. If you were just on remand (I've known people on remand for over a year then released after being found not guilty) you're not entitled to a discharge grant at all.

So you can come out to having lost your job and your home without even that £46.

PhilomenaButterfly · 21/09/2018 12:13

I'm sitting here, with £7.11 in my account, wondering how to make it last 3 days. I also have to pay £18 dinner money on Monday morning, which has to be paid as soon as the DC are in school. I won't have it until Monday morning, and I won't have time to make the detour to the ATM before school. If it's late, you get told you owe a day, even if you pay the full amount later.

HalfDivided · 21/09/2018 12:20

A lot of people out there don't even have a spare penny to put aside, FFS. let alone £2.

FFS

Okay: what’s your advice for someone in that position who doesn’t have £2 then, aww?

Courtney makes a perfectly reasonable point about her own life experience, that she was able to get enough kitchen equipment to get by when she had nothing, for £4 from a car boot sale. Maybe people reading this thread who are on the bones of their arse might not have realised you can get essentials like that from a car boot sale cheaply.

What on Earth are you contributing with your ‘not everyone has £2 therefore you’re on your own planet!!’? Genuinely? What’s your advice then?

I note you haven’t bothered to reply to my question about your snarky response to my posts, which is convenient.

What value are you actually trying to add here? Or do you get enjoyment from relentlessly tearing down other people’s stories of their own lives/suggestions for others?

cathf · 21/09/2018 12:23

5bob, but that's a very specific set of circumstances that is not relevant to the vast majority of people. This thread is making out that such poverty is widespread. It isn't.
And Philomena, I have never been able to afford school dinners so my children have always taken packed lunches. I imagine you are going to come back to say that your school has compulsory school dinners. School dinners always seem to be compulsory on threads like this one.

Neshoma · 21/09/2018 12:33

Weekly:
Up to 24 up to 57.90
25 or over up to £73.10
Couples (both aged over 18) up to £114.85

Anyone could save a couple a pound or two if they wanted to.

Phil do you not FSMs?

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