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Is food poverty real?

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Leapfrog44 · 18/09/2018 20:00

Provocative title, sorry I know food poverty is real. I'm just not convinced about the extent of it.

I've cooked half a packet of dried chickpeas 50p which we eat fried with garlic, salt and olive oil. They're also delicious with pasta or with potatoes as a curry. Braised Puy lentils (60p) cooked with onions, celery and the bendy carrots left in the fridge.

And to really push the boat out an aubergine stew with onions and tomatoes. The 3 big aubergines cost £1.50. Tomatoes and parsley came from the garden.

I spent an hour cooking today including making a loaf of bread. With some rice or couscous, and some salad, what I've made will feed us for 4 nights.

We have apples too, foraged at the weekend. The windfall ones I cut the bad off and stewed them, the rest are good for eating. There are also elderberries, plums and a few late blackberries dotted around the margins of the city for anyone who can be bothered to go out and pick them.

I know not everyone has a garden but a very small space can be used to grow quite a lot. In pots I grew enough tomatoes, green beans and lettuce to feed us all summer. If I was less lazy or more skint, I'd also seed save, to ensure I can grow them for free next year. Many allotment holders would totally give up some produce in exchange for labour too.

So I guess I'm wondering if the increasing number of people who are in financial dire staits and find themselves needing to use food banks are in fact suffering from a lack of food education as much as lack of money? Our grandparents in the same situation would have cultivated every bit of earth with home grown vegetables and I'm sure would have been more resourceful and more capable of making do on very little.

Obviously there are very vulnerable people without the means to cook or to grow but surely not everyone experiencing 'food poverty' is in this category? I often wonder why at food banks they don't ask if recipients have access to a bit of ground (or a few pots) and give them seeds? Pulses and in season veggies are incredibly cheap and with a few quid you can feed your family really well if you know how to cook them. It's far better to cook a simple vegetable curry or dhal and eat it all week than have to exist on the pot noodles, tinned sludge, sugary cereals and biscuits that they're giving out.

Times are going to get MUCH tougher. Climate change and environmental destruction will soon jeopardise our food security and food banks will not be able to help everyone.

So AIBU? As a society are we actually getting poorer and hungrier or have we just raised a couple of generations lacking general resourcefulness, cooking skills and horticultural know how? Times are tough for increasing numbers but I can't help feeling that many of these people just don't have a clue how to help themselves.

OP posts:
LadyOdd · 18/09/2018 20:29

When I was broke and the for now reason stopped my benefits I had to pawn some of my equipment for 40 quid (worth 150) I walked an hour to the pawn shop then spent three hours buying the cheapest ingredients veg etc going to 6 different shops walked an hour home after spending all my money in hope that I could last a month to find out that my electricity had run out....

Walked an hour to my friends house to beg for a tenner which she lent me, then back home. I sprang 7 hours trying to survive, in the slightly over 4 weeks my benefits were stopped I lost over 2 stone ate once a day...I didn’t have the electricity or gas to back bread or stew food and regrettably I lost my item to the pawn shop by one day and I still can’t afford to replace it.

Your post is naive and boastful.

Daffodils78 · 18/09/2018 20:29

Yeah now that I am getting back in control of my life and finances. I went from donating to food banks to using them due to my circumstances. Now after leaving an abusive relationship I can prioritise things better and maybe cook some damn lentils but when I was in that place, literally selling my possessions to keep clothes and shoes on my kids backs and feet. Not sat on my arse, but studying and looking after 2 kids. Those food banks were my saving grace.

QueenOfMyWorld · 18/09/2018 20:29

While you are playing at 'The Good Life" there are real people in dire need Biscuit

TulipsInBloom1 · 18/09/2018 20:29

Fuck off op.

I work on an estate with sever social depravation. It has an average reading age of 11. People dont know how to grow stuff. How to invest in store cupboard essentials. How to budget.

Food poverty isnt just "how can I feed us all on ten pounds this week". It runs way way way deeper.

MyCatIsBonkers · 18/09/2018 20:30

How would you have cooked your delicious Hmm chickpeas if you had no gas or electric?

HaroldsSocalledBluetits · 18/09/2018 20:30

Where on earth did you get the idea that everyone ate healthily back in ye good old days when we all knew how to cook? My mother, now in her late seventies god love her, grew up dirt poor with parents who did their best to be self sufficient, not because it was an enriching learning experience for their kids but because they couldn't afford to buy food. They grew everything they could, kept chickens etc and they went hungry a lot or ate shit like sugar sandwiches or bread and dripping ie lard. My granny broke her fucking arse trying to feed her family adequately and often failed. Most kids back then were at least mildly vitamin deficient, there was rickets etc and lots of complications from malnutrition.

You don't eat well if you're poor. Never did, never will. Now maybe that's because everyone who is poor just isn't as great and wonderful as you are, and probably thick as well. Or maybe, just maybe, yes: food poverty is real.

lowtide · 18/09/2018 20:30

@SaucyJack
You’ve got a bin room. You should be eternally grateful
If you were clever you would find food in the bin and stop being so ungrateful Wink

LadyOdd · 18/09/2018 20:30

Sorry about the mistakes, I’m feeding the baby and typing is hard.

dontcallmelen · 18/09/2018 20:30

silver I have no idea where you are in the UK, but in the part I live I can assure you food poverty is very real.

bastardkitty · 18/09/2018 20:31

You're a fool OP!

PelvicFloorClenchReminder · 18/09/2018 20:31

Jamie Oliver, is that you dear?

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RedSuitcase · 18/09/2018 20:31

YANBU OP but you're posting on MN so I've not even read the replies to know that you'll be getting a pasting for expecting anyone to help themselves when instead evil rich people should pay for it instead

HermioneGoesBackHome · 18/09/2018 20:32

What a lot of other posters have said.
To be able to cook you need gas or electricity. You need a cooker, pans etc...
To be able to grow plants, you need a garden, pots, soil, seeds. And of course it only last a few months.

Fwiw I actually dint believe you have been able to feed your family from the garden only.
I know a few farmers who DO try to grow all their own vegs etc... it takes much more space than a smal garden and a few pots. They have a big greenhouse, as well as a patch that makes at least 3/4 of my own garden just to grow the vegs. Even like that, they don’t cover it all.

Oh and also remember that this year has been particularly good for vegs. Next year might be very different...

babybythesea · 18/09/2018 20:32

Also, growing your own isn't always that easy. We live very rurally and know a fair bit about gardening. So we tried. The garden was full of weeds and stones when we got here. We spent three years back breakingly getting rid of the weeds and the stones. We had one really successful year with loads of courgettes and potatoes and peas. The following year, the slugs were horrific and nailed everything. Got a few potatoes and nothing else, despite having spent loads of money on seeds (we haven't used slug pellets as we do things organically. But even if we weren't organic, you'd have to find the money for the pellets). In the middle of all this, I had DD and went back to work. So we were also limited on time. The second year that slugs ate everything we gave up. With the time and money we'd put in it just wasn't worth it. We'd bought loads of strawberries but the weeds take over the bed unless you weed every two or three days which we just don't have time to do, what with both so is working. We do have an amazing black currant bush though that seems to thrive on no attention and churns out lorry loads of the things.

olderwhynotwiser · 18/09/2018 20:33

first post ever...long time lurker but just had to respond to some of hip hops views on eliminating food poverty. If you are really poor growing your own is not an economy. My husband gardens as a hobby. His tomatoes are amazing ...but far more expensive to grow in a garden in northern england with no green house than buying them. If you are poor you also have to factor in the risks of bad harvests...poor apples last year on our tree. You also have to have time to tend the garden ...great if you are retired like my husband and not dependant on the produce but hardly a reliable food source if you are broke and working twelve hour shifts in a minimum pay job. Worrying about the potential crop and whether it was worth the initial outlay would add even more worry to horrendous situations. In general the food poor do not have the time or the resources practical or mentally for what you recommend.

Daffodils78 · 18/09/2018 20:33

Anyone who wants to say there is not real food poverty, I lost 1.5 stone making sure my kids had what they needed. Yeah I had the privilege of running water (though rarely hot water). I used to think people were just scrounging but OMG life robbed me of that judgement

PhilomenaButterfly · 18/09/2018 20:33

We have experienced food poverty, the meals you're talking about my DC wouldn't eat. DD will only eat chickpeas as houmous.

5bobaweek · 18/09/2018 20:34

What a bleak menu you're offering..

TulipsInBloom1 · 18/09/2018 20:34

Poor people generally couldnt justify buying olive oil OP.

Bunnyfuller · 18/09/2018 20:34

This is Kirstie Allsop again,, isn’t it?!

Junkmail · 18/09/2018 20:34

Are you for real?? This can’t be genuine. Have you any idea how difficult it is to get an alottment? My brother was on the waiting list for FIVE YEARS before he got one and he’s not at all skint, he just likes growing things and spending time outside. Imagine if you were in poverty having to wait five years to get to eat tomatoes? Christ alive.

Food poverty is a LOT more complicated than you’re suggesting

florenceheadache · 18/09/2018 20:35

However it’s not unreasonable for citizens to suggest to the city that landscaping be done with fruit trees or berry bushes.

KeeVee · 18/09/2018 20:36

I have one hob (the other doesn't work and as of yet landlord hasn't replaced it). And an "oven" the size of a microwave... with two "plate-warmers" on top so food must be boiled on the working hob first before being put onto those... One cupboard on the wall for food. Room for two mini under-the-counter fridges, the freezer space of which is one shelf in each. Fit about 3 frozen items in each one at a push. No garden. We don't even have counter space for a microwave or a slow-cooker. Me, DP, and LO.

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