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Is food poverty real?

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Leapfrog44 · 18/09/2018 20:00

Provocative title, sorry I know food poverty is real. I'm just not convinced about the extent of it.

I've cooked half a packet of dried chickpeas 50p which we eat fried with garlic, salt and olive oil. They're also delicious with pasta or with potatoes as a curry. Braised Puy lentils (60p) cooked with onions, celery and the bendy carrots left in the fridge.

And to really push the boat out an aubergine stew with onions and tomatoes. The 3 big aubergines cost £1.50. Tomatoes and parsley came from the garden.

I spent an hour cooking today including making a loaf of bread. With some rice or couscous, and some salad, what I've made will feed us for 4 nights.

We have apples too, foraged at the weekend. The windfall ones I cut the bad off and stewed them, the rest are good for eating. There are also elderberries, plums and a few late blackberries dotted around the margins of the city for anyone who can be bothered to go out and pick them.

I know not everyone has a garden but a very small space can be used to grow quite a lot. In pots I grew enough tomatoes, green beans and lettuce to feed us all summer. If I was less lazy or more skint, I'd also seed save, to ensure I can grow them for free next year. Many allotment holders would totally give up some produce in exchange for labour too.

So I guess I'm wondering if the increasing number of people who are in financial dire staits and find themselves needing to use food banks are in fact suffering from a lack of food education as much as lack of money? Our grandparents in the same situation would have cultivated every bit of earth with home grown vegetables and I'm sure would have been more resourceful and more capable of making do on very little.

Obviously there are very vulnerable people without the means to cook or to grow but surely not everyone experiencing 'food poverty' is in this category? I often wonder why at food banks they don't ask if recipients have access to a bit of ground (or a few pots) and give them seeds? Pulses and in season veggies are incredibly cheap and with a few quid you can feed your family really well if you know how to cook them. It's far better to cook a simple vegetable curry or dhal and eat it all week than have to exist on the pot noodles, tinned sludge, sugary cereals and biscuits that they're giving out.

Times are going to get MUCH tougher. Climate change and environmental destruction will soon jeopardise our food security and food banks will not be able to help everyone.

So AIBU? As a society are we actually getting poorer and hungrier or have we just raised a couple of generations lacking general resourcefulness, cooking skills and horticultural know how? Times are tough for increasing numbers but I can't help feeling that many of these people just don't have a clue how to help themselves.

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PortiaCastis · 19/09/2018 20:22

Foodbanks rely on donations so no multivitamins are not provided.

PortiaCastis · 19/09/2018 20:24

For info

www.trusselltrust.org/what-we-do/

Flooffloof · 19/09/2018 20:26

But what if you don’t have a fridge/Tupperware’ doesn’t negate the fact that lentils are cheap easy and nutritious

Can’t believe how many people on here have written off aubergine for their children too and are happy to let them dictate their diet even when times are hard and there isn’t the option for their favourite
food every mealtime.

Sigh, again. Lentils take an age to cook. Need pans and a cooker, need fuel for cooker.

When it was me in poverty, I wanted my kids to eat. If I had presented them with some lentil thing that they wouldn't have eaten then they would have gone hungry.
So then my lentil thing would have gone to waste and all the fuel (electric in my case).
There was no other food. I was shopping daily the yellow sticker stuff. 17p bread (almost inedible) 10p ham that was out of date a day later.

PhilomenaButterfly · 19/09/2018 20:30

HalfDivided I'm happy to let DD dictate her diet to a certain extent if the alternative is her going on hunger strike, and she would. She eats enough of a range of food for me to make her healthy cheap food that she will actually eat. She was at after school club today, she had a tuna sandwich for her packed supper.

Bimgy85 · 19/09/2018 20:30

@Flooffloof that's the thing. If you were genuinely in poverty and your kids were bloody hungry they would have eaten anything.

There is no such thing as fussiness when food poverty is in the picture. What you experienced was not food poverty.

RedneckStumpy · 19/09/2018 20:34

Flooffloof

Lentils, chickpeas and other dried beans don’t take ages to cook if you soak them in cold water for a day or two before.

That’s what we do.

HalfDivided · 19/09/2018 20:35

Sigh, you can buy canned lentils that are already pre cooked for 55p from Tesco.

Why would it have gone to waste if you could eat it?

This is part of a bigger picture I think around what a weird perception we have in England towards food. Kids turning their noses up at perfectly good food despite being apparently hungry, when elsewhere in the world kids literally starve for want of food. I do wonder what attitudes people are passing onto their kids, they didn’t get to ‘I won’t touch an aubergine/lentil’ from nowhere. It’s not exactly surströmming.

PhilomenaButterfly · 19/09/2018 20:36

Bimgy DD hasn't had anything for school dinner before because one option made her gag and she didn't like the other option. Or when she was in EYFS, they had no choice, if it was jacket potato with cheese she'd only eat the cheese. She's that stubborn. She must've been hungry, she hadn't eaten since 7am, unless the fruit they offered at playtime was apples or grapes, and they don't fill you up anyway.

HalfDivided · 19/09/2018 20:37

@Flooffloof that's the thing. If you were genuinely in poverty and your kids were bloody hungry they would have eaten anything.

There is no such thing as fussiness when food poverty is in the picture. What you experienced was not food poverty.

I know people will balk at this but it’s true. I suspect a lot of people are lacking in perspective.

Bimgy85 · 19/09/2018 20:37

Lol those of you saying no to aubergines/lentils you were clearly NOWHERE near food poverty if you or your kids would turn down this food.

People who were genuinely hungry would be happy with anything. Stop insulting the people who genuinely are.

HalfDivided · 19/09/2018 20:38

PhilomenaButterfly are you really comparing a child skipping one meal because they didn’t like it to the sort of hunger a child who hasn’t got enough to eat goes through??

Flooffloof · 19/09/2018 20:39

There is no such thing as fussiness when food poverty is in the picture. What you experienced was not food poverty.

Well thanks for that, I don't know my own life apparently.
I was indeed in food and fuel poverty. It was a horrendous 4 years.

I was also in debt which took til 2015 to pay off.
I was ill for all those 4 years. I was 7 stone those 4 years.
You can be as hungry as a horse but there's only so many times you can eat dry toast, porridge, eggs. And 4 years of eating said items means I still can't face them even now 15 years later.
But thanks anyway for not bothering to read properly.

Bimgy85 · 19/09/2018 20:39

@HalfDivided thank you. It is true. It's an absolute insult/very shameful to the people that do genuinely struggle to put FOOD on the table everyday. No not certain food. Just food. Those who say ' we won't eat that or that' no matter what they claim they are not hungry just bloody greedy and fussy. If someone was genuinely hungry they would eat anything. We have not experienced true hunger

@PhilomenaButterfly

PhilomenaButterfly · 19/09/2018 20:39

Bimgy when you have a child who won't eat, you offer them whatever you think they will eat.

HalfDivided · 19/09/2018 20:40

Those of you talking about your kids sneering at vegetables should read up on the famine in North Korea. There’s a book called Nothing to Envy that would be a good starting people. How the hell anyone can insinuate that they’re in food poverty when their child is still able to turn down perfectly good food is unbelievable.

Bimgy85 · 19/09/2018 20:40

@PhilomenaButterfly of course and I have been through that many many times, but I'm talking about people claiming here they have been through food poverty or extreme hunger with their kids on here, if a child was experiencing true true hunger they would not turn down food. If a child turns down food because they do not like it then they obviously have a few options.

A fussy child is not a hungry child.

Bimgy85 · 19/09/2018 20:43

@Flooffloof of course I sympathize but please do not try to tell me your child was fussy during these periods as then you clearly were not experiencing true hunger having to eat porridge or banana or bread every single day is not true hunger. That is a privilege to some. To have fresh fruit and bread and oats? Wow some would be delighted

We have a very very very skewed of what an unfortunate life is nowadays Sad

Flooffloof · 19/09/2018 20:44

A fussy child is not a hungry child.

Assuming this applies to adults too?
Then call me fussy but after day's of eating dry toast, I went hungry because I just could not face it anymore.

PhilomenaButterfly · 19/09/2018 20:44

I mean regularly skipping a meal HalfDivided. She must get hungry, but she'll only eat what she likes. Luckily, what she likes is a huge range. Why would I give her chickpeas when I can give her something equally cheap which she'll eat?

Neshoma · 19/09/2018 20:44

Half and then comes along Floof to prove your point Grin

Bimgy85 · 19/09/2018 20:44

Again debt is something we bring on ourselves you cannot blame the world for this. This is something we know we are getting into, we sign up for it. I'm sorry you fell ill. But that's all you have to feel sorry for. Debts were your own choice. Fuel poverty is not relevant.

Bimgy85 · 19/09/2018 20:47

@Flooffloof a day of eating bread? Then surely you must have been fairly full? As a regular person would be. In which case a day of eating bread surely you wouldn't need any more food? Food is fuel ffs it's a luxury of course to turn it into a hobby and a luxury to eat different exciting nice tasty foods but come on if you eat bread every day for a bloody week so what, it only ever existed to give and sustain energy so cry me a bloody river that you only got to EAT bread for a week. Some do not eat full stop

PortiaCastis · 19/09/2018 20:49

Like hell I brought debt on myself no I did not and assumptive people didn't help when my marriage ended through violence and I ended up in dire straits, I may have debts but by god I was still alive!!!

HalfDivided · 19/09/2018 20:49

Again debt is something we bring on ourselves you cannot blame the world for this. This is something we know we are getting into, we sign up for it.

Not to derail, but that is simply untrue. My goodness. I’m so glad you’ve never been in a position to realise how wrong you are on this one. Your points on food poverty have been spot on in this thread. But I disagree wholeheartedly with this. I speak from personal experience.

Flooffloof · 19/09/2018 20:51

Again debt is something we bring on ourselves you cannot blame the world for this. This is something we know we are getting into, we sign up for it. I'm sorry you fell ill. But that's all you have to feel sorry for. Debts were your own choice. Fuel poverty is not relevant.

Where did I blame "the world"
Fuel poverty is why bloody lentils are not the cheap option. They have to be cooked, this uses fuel.
Are you aware that fuel costs money?
So a £1 bag of lentils may cost another pound to cook.
Or buy something your kids will eat for £1, and microwave it for 4p. This then leaves enough fuel for hot water AND the child eats.
Not rocket science