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Is food poverty real?

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Leapfrog44 · 18/09/2018 20:00

Provocative title, sorry I know food poverty is real. I'm just not convinced about the extent of it.

I've cooked half a packet of dried chickpeas 50p which we eat fried with garlic, salt and olive oil. They're also delicious with pasta or with potatoes as a curry. Braised Puy lentils (60p) cooked with onions, celery and the bendy carrots left in the fridge.

And to really push the boat out an aubergine stew with onions and tomatoes. The 3 big aubergines cost £1.50. Tomatoes and parsley came from the garden.

I spent an hour cooking today including making a loaf of bread. With some rice or couscous, and some salad, what I've made will feed us for 4 nights.

We have apples too, foraged at the weekend. The windfall ones I cut the bad off and stewed them, the rest are good for eating. There are also elderberries, plums and a few late blackberries dotted around the margins of the city for anyone who can be bothered to go out and pick them.

I know not everyone has a garden but a very small space can be used to grow quite a lot. In pots I grew enough tomatoes, green beans and lettuce to feed us all summer. If I was less lazy or more skint, I'd also seed save, to ensure I can grow them for free next year. Many allotment holders would totally give up some produce in exchange for labour too.

So I guess I'm wondering if the increasing number of people who are in financial dire staits and find themselves needing to use food banks are in fact suffering from a lack of food education as much as lack of money? Our grandparents in the same situation would have cultivated every bit of earth with home grown vegetables and I'm sure would have been more resourceful and more capable of making do on very little.

Obviously there are very vulnerable people without the means to cook or to grow but surely not everyone experiencing 'food poverty' is in this category? I often wonder why at food banks they don't ask if recipients have access to a bit of ground (or a few pots) and give them seeds? Pulses and in season veggies are incredibly cheap and with a few quid you can feed your family really well if you know how to cook them. It's far better to cook a simple vegetable curry or dhal and eat it all week than have to exist on the pot noodles, tinned sludge, sugary cereals and biscuits that they're giving out.

Times are going to get MUCH tougher. Climate change and environmental destruction will soon jeopardise our food security and food banks will not be able to help everyone.

So AIBU? As a society are we actually getting poorer and hungrier or have we just raised a couple of generations lacking general resourcefulness, cooking skills and horticultural know how? Times are tough for increasing numbers but I can't help feeling that many of these people just don't have a clue how to help themselves.

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LeftRightCentre · 19/09/2018 17:40

They think it was a marvellous time because the health of the nation was the best its been. They ignore the amount of people killed including many of my family.

Yep, and that big tobacco gave out cigarettes in rations so you have huge swathes of people smoking like chimneys. People used to trade them for food, cloth, anything.

bastardkitty · 19/09/2018 17:42

Just nipped on to mention the magic tomato tree....

PortiaCastis · 19/09/2018 17:45

Yep don't forget the I'm alright jack tree as well

Bluelady · 19/09/2018 17:46

And the let them eat cake tree.

noeffingidea · 19/09/2018 17:57

Turmeric, garlic, cumin, chillis - total cost ££, before you've even bought any food. So Dahl is a complete nonsense
No it isn't. You don't need all those ingredients to make it ,though it's nice if you can use the proper spices, ordinary medium curry powder is fine.
I think thats part of the problem with our food situation in the UK. People are lead to believe that you need a long list of ingredients (looking at you Jamie) and flavourings to cook properly, when you can actually simplify a lot of recipes and still cook perfectly acceptable food. Jack Monroe did a good post on her blog about this.

glintandglide · 19/09/2018 18:01

@Clandestino I’m afraid I completely disagree. You don’t have to be privileged to know that lentils and beans are cheap. You simply have to look around the supermarket aisles, or google “cheap meals”. People are suggesting a poor person doesn’t have the education or intelligence to do that, even though it’s very easy.

@Philomenabutterfly I’m afriad we’ve mixed our communications somewhere. I wasn’t saying I agree with her that period/ food poverty doesn’t exist

SwordToFlamethrower · 19/09/2018 18:59

YES

PhilomenaButterfly · 19/09/2018 19:04

My apologies glintandglide. 😀

StartingGrid · 19/09/2018 19:06

We may be questioning if food poverty is real but at least we don't need to be concerned if goadiness is a thing...

glintandglide · 19/09/2018 19:17

No worries! I’m agreeing with you Grin

Aftereights91 · 19/09/2018 19:26

I live in a tiny first floor flat, no balcony, 3 narrow windowsills. Where the chuff am I supposed to grow this bounty of vegetable delight?

Giraffeowlllama · 19/09/2018 19:39

I've been on benefits and been able to cook healthy meals for £ .but I had a full kitchen and cupboards full of dry ingredients. So yes lentils couscous spices etc. I can cook and can be v inventive
Now I left due to dv. Just started a job so not paid yet. I rent a room. I have no kitchenware pots pans etc. My parents gave me a plate mug bowl knife fork spoon. Kitchen has cooker and microwave. No kettle toaster. I buy ready meals. It's only me. My closest supermarkets are m&s and Waitrose. I can get 3 ready meals for £7.
I'm in a weird position. I can afford to buy kitchen stuff to cut down on costs but I'm on a monthly room contract so I don't want to buy too much as I don't know where I'll be living.
Tonight I had salmon with watercress sauce, new potatoes and broccoli
For (reduced) £2.50 from Waitrose.
Are you really going to tell me that by cooking from scratch it would be cheaper?
As I said I when on benefits (due to cancer) I would bake bread,slow cook and make soup as it was cheaper. Now starting with no kitchen stuff it's a lot more difficult. I know that I'm vv lucky . I have a good professional job and will be able to buy stuff.

bastardkitty · 19/09/2018 19:44

I think there are a lot of people on this thread lucky enough to have literally no idea what life is like for very many people- especially sick and disabled people.

Vicky1990 · 19/09/2018 19:44

There was a time when mothers taught their children how to prepare food from fresh, however that is not done so much now as lots of mothers do not themselves have cooking skills, and are dependent on buying expensive ready meals.
I wander how many of the people in so called food poverty spend a large proportion of the money they have on drugs, alcohol and cigarettes, do they get asked this at the food bank?.

bastardkitty · 19/09/2018 19:45

Good luck to you @Giraffeowlllama in getting back on you feet. Sounds like you've been on a hell of a journey.

bastardkitty · 19/09/2018 19:46

Vicky you don't even know the difference between wander and wonder but you think you know what's wrong with people. You're clueless.

PortiaCastis · 19/09/2018 19:47

You need a referral for a foodbank so no you can't rock up and say I've spent my £73 jsa on fags

Giraffeowlllama · 19/09/2018 19:56

Thanks bastardtkitty I know I'll be ok but some of the views on here are shocking.
The out lay on dry goods will stop soo many people even if they can cook. And once you've done the outlay there is still the maintenance. I remember being so broke we ate chicken nuggets and chips for Xmas.

Bimgy85 · 19/09/2018 19:57

@bastardkitty lol bastardkitty the grammar police always come out when people do not know what to say. She was stating a fact, this generation and last generation grew up throwing chicken kievs in the oven or fish fingers, not cooking meals from scratch, most 13 year olds don't know how to cook spaghetti. She had a point, years ago when our grandparents were growing up they were struggling, what we call nowadays 'serious food poverty' no they just did with what they had whether it was bread, porridge or potatoes for the week and filled up on that instead of 'oh no I can't afford a week full of treats and luxuries such as nice meat, stir fry ingredients and full fat roasts'

That is not poverty my love. As someone stated below we do not know food poverty and it's insulting to the people that did to think we do.

bastardkitty · 19/09/2018 19:59

People read the Daily Heil and are so gullible they believe it. They watch programmes about people on benefits of 20k or 30k and they are stupid enough to think that is in any way representative. Sitting, judging, spouting shit while the most vulnerable people in society are dying hungry and in poverty. I could not bear to be you, thinking that you know that it's all about fags and booze and drugs. I despise people who are so blinkered that they believe this crap is 'what it's all about'. You need to educate yourselves.

Queenofmyownheart · 19/09/2018 20:03

Of course it's real 🤦🏼‍♀️ I know plenty of people who struggle to feed their kids well. Not because they spend their money or drink or drugs as often thought. But because of unfortunate circumstances, previous debt or just from being screwed by the system because trust me, it really does screw some people. I, myself, was left with 0 income with two children (4&6) for 8 weeks, whilst UC fucked up my application time and time again. 8 weeks with nothing except my child benefit. Because my wonderful partner of 7 years decided to up & leave in violent circumstances for his other woman. I had barely any family, no work, no confidence, ptsd & 2 emotionally scarred children. I fought hard to get out of it, 2 years later I'm still struggling but am not in food poverty. Many of my friends are though, I help them wherever I can, cus it doesn't take much for you to find yourself in that position and there is nothing more soul destroying than being scared that you can't provide for your children.

RedneckStumpy · 19/09/2018 20:06

HalfDivided

People on this thread are not interested in solutions, and work arounds they just throw up more problems.

If my kids complain about something DH has cooked. His response to them is “It will make poop, doesn’t need to do anything more”. As much as I don’t like that phrase, he is right.

Tidy2018 · 19/09/2018 20:11

Do food banks issue free multivitamins?

HalfDivided · 19/09/2018 20:15

People on this thread are not interested in solutions, and work arounds they just throw up more problems.

It’s dull as dishwater and contributes nothing. There’s a commenting rule over on a workplace blog I enjoy reading called ‘not everyone can have sandwiches’. It arose after a particulary unwieldy pointless thread where someone was asking for lunch ideas, a poster suggested sandwiches, and was met with a chorus of ‘not everyone can have sandwiches! What if they can’t tolerate gluten? Can’t afford the ingredients? What if they don’t like bread? Not everyone can have sandwiches!’

The rule stipulates not to jump on reasonable suggestions and advice that’d work for some people just to point out it won’t work for literally everyone: that’s a given. It wastes space and propagates negativity and adds nothing.

This thread could do with that rule imo. Every single suggestion is met with ‘but what if...’ as if that refutes the original advice. It doesn’t. I’d prefer people to offer their own suggestions rather than criticise others and add nothing.

‘But what if you don’t have a fridge/Tupperware’ doesn’t negate the fact that lentils are cheap easy and nutritious 🙄

Can’t believe how many people on here have written off aubergine for their children too and are happy to let them dictate their diet even when times are hard and there isn’t the option for their favourite food every mealtime.

glintandglide · 19/09/2018 20:20

No tidy2018, it's a food bank. They have food