To think that in the current dire state of the NHS finances it's a no brainer that first priority for mastectomies goes to cancer patients?

[TigerDrankAllTheWaterInTheTap]

Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of whether the NHS or any doctor should ever be doing a mastectomy on a very young person with gender dysphoria, there is no question at all that a woman diagnosed with breast cancer needs treatment as top priority. (Or a man, in the very rare cases where a man gets breast cancer.)

The tweet I've attached is outrageously insensitive. The person concerned is using a mass blocker on Twitter so will never see most of the responses it's getting (mostly very negative indeed). Life in an echo chamber.

It's very worrying also to see the insistence that getting this surgery, that drug, has to happen right away or the person concerned will self-harm, maybe even try to commit suicide. This is very irresponsible. Ideas that like get hold from constant repetition.

I normally stay well away from commenting on anything trans related on here, but I read a lot of the threads and this is just

The issue of transgender dysphoria (have I got that right?) in itself, doesn't cause death without the surgery. Cancer not only can, but does regularly! There are 2 people very dear to me who would have died quickly without it. And one who has died, despite having surgery.
No one wants to die waiting, but you know what, they do. People with severe mental illness die waiting for treatment because they're tormented and there's limited resources, people with cancer die waiting, people with organ failure die waiting.
ALL services have been cut, why does the trans movement (or some of them) think they don't have to take the same hit as the rest of society with regard to cuts?
Entitled and selfish.

This was a TedTalk given by Toby Walker in December 2016. It has been viewed 73000+ times and demonstrates his expectations of the NHS:

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=j-h9WBtGHd4

A close family member died of great cancer. Actually died.

This is such bullshit.

TRAs have lobbied to have a cervical cancer campaign for 'everyone with a cervix'. CRUK now has no mention of women in their descriptions of gyny cancers.

Training video by Tara Hewitt (NHS Diversity consultant & influential trans-rights activist) for health care professionals, 'Trans People and Cancer'

Some of those lobbying for trans-rights demonstrate so little experience, knowledge or empathy for the reality of cancer services, prevention, diagnosis or treatment and those directly affected.

TRAs have lobbied to have a cervical cancer campaign for 'everyone with a cervix'. CRUK now has no mention of women in their descriptions of gyny cancers

My mum died of cervical cancer so I take that extremely fucking personally.

It’s bullshit. Absolute unmitigated bullshit.

Even a post operative trans woman wouldn’t have a cervix which needs smear tests, surely?

Good grief. It's like I've just read someone complaining that there's someone starving to death getting food, which means there's none left for them and they really want a cheeseburger and will kill themselves if they don't have one.

I have reasonable hopes that all decent people will see this for the shockingly selfish tantrum it is.

#wontdiewaiting

No, you won't. Twat.

There is discussion about the CRUK campaign here by Fairplay for Women:
(extract)
"Cervical screening rates have fallen to a 20-year low in England. Five million women are invited to screening each year in the UK yet one in four does not attend. Every year more than 3,200 women are diagnosed with cervical cancer and 890 die.

However, Cancer Research UK has dropped the word “woman” from its latest public health campaign against cervical cancer in an effort to be more inclusive of transgender people.

The charity’s latest message for cervical screening awareness week encourages “everyone aged 25-64 with a cervix” to go for their smear test, with no mention of women at all.

The charity confirmed that the words had been chosen deliberately so as not to exclude those who are biologically female but identify as men.

What about the risk of alienating women who may already be reluctant to have the potentially life-saving test?

What about the women who won’t necessarily know that they are ‘people with a cervix’ and so might not come forward?

Cancer Research has accepted losing responses from women, that will impact lives and health, as collateral damage for protecting the feelings of the transgender community." (continues)
fairplayforwomen.com/cancer_research_drops_woman/

Just watched the TedTalk and I don't particularly disagree with anything he is saying however we all have to be realistic about what our NHS can offer and the cuts that everyone men, women and children in all areas of healthcare have faced.

I'll give a couple of personal examples as I imagine we all have them...

I have a relative who has been referred to CAMHS, she is self harming and she does need help the waiting list is well over a year for talking therapies so her parents are privately paying for counselling. They and she are fortunate enough to be able to financially manage this but what about the children whose parents aren't!

I know a couple with a child with SMA, they are currently fundraising for an electric wheelchair for her to attend secondary school. The NHS can not afford to give a child a wheelchair and do not do parents have to look to charities, grants, their own money and fundraise. Also NICE have just declined a treatment children in other countries around the world are having for SMA due to cost.

My 101 year old grandparent has recently paid over a thousand pounds for new hearing aids he cannot hear without them and new ones were a necessity. The NHS does not and can not pay for these.

Each community/group will essentially fight their corner when it comes to funding, so I can't understand this man is trying to advocate for his communities rights however it's appalling to not understand or see that those with a life threatening illness such as breast cancer need to take priority.

#wontdiewaiting

Exactly, snowflake. However, someone with cancer may very well die waiting.

gilmoregal Whilst I found the speaker in that TED talk very personable, there were several things I disagreed with. The main one though was the expectation that their GP should just change the 'F' to 'M' on their medical file. How on earth does this individual not realise how irresponsible and dangerous that would be?!

This person is a twat and an embarrassment to the majority of trans people and basically anyone remotely empathetic, nice and normal. Every trans person I know would be fucking furious to read this especially as some of them have lost relatives to cancer recently. What a horrible person

I don't understand why more links aren't being made to the ways young women and girls self-harmed in previous decades. Particularly with eating disorders. "If you won't let cut off my breasts I'll kill myself" is not a million miles from "If you won't let me starve away my breasts I'll kill myself," but we don't rush anorexics into stomach-stapling surgeries as 'treatment'.

The expectation that their GP should just change the 'F' to 'M' on their medical file. How on earth does this individual not realise how irresponsible and dangerous that would be?!

BeUpStanding, a poster on another thread (I think it was the one about womb transplants for transwomen) observed that a lot of TRAs seem to think people are made of Lego. That cross sex hormones actually make them the opposite sex.

The idea that you could just sew a uterus into a male body and pregnancy would be possible shows a complete ignorance of how the body works.

It's crazy. In a medical context HCP not knowing your sex can be dangerous. There are screening programmes that are only relevant to people of one sex. There are hospital test results that have a different significance depending on the patient's sex. I seem to recall that transman Buck Angel nearly died because doctors treated Buck as a man.

I was looking up Buck and came across their FB. There was a transman asking Buck for advice about vaginal atrophy and dryness due to testosterone, and how this affected PIV sex.

Beyond bizarre. If I were to identify as a man I'd have thought PIV was the most triggering of all activities short of pregnancy. How can you possibly describe yourself as a man and have sex incorporating your vagina? I'm bemused

One of my nieces is in what seems excellent residential care for her bulimia. She was so thin they warned her parents she might drop dead at any moment during the first fortnight. It's been a couple of months now and she's doing well, with intensive support and counseling.

Gender dysphoria in children and young adults is potentially just as harmful in the long term as eating disorders, though not in the short term. None of them will drop dead from unresolved dysphoria.

It's the new self harm, no doubt, and social contagion is a big component.

Just watched the TedTalk and I don't particularly disagree with anything he is saying however we all have to be realistic about what our NHS can offer and the cuts that everyone men, women and children in all areas of healthcare have faced.

The heart of the TedTAlk message is that NHS should not gatekeep medical interventions for those young people who present as transgender.

That to gatekeep risks suicide.

It minimises the potential serious consequences of medical interventions (medicines and surgery) and denies the consideration and opportunity to identify and treat known possible coexisting factors such as autism, mental health issues, abuse etc

Its a very effective persuasive speech that needs unpicking.

I bet this has peaktrans'd the surgeons.

It would be interesting to hear their point of view on this, after all they are the ones who make decisions on who needs prioritising for surgery and are the ones who have to break the news to patients and families if someone is going to die/ has died.

I know I bang on about girls and women being undiagnosed ASD and the prevalence of self harm and anorexia and apparent trans ideology, but I and many many others feel its very important. Undiagnosed girls tend to mimic and cope and cope and mimic until around puberty when socialization and "unwritten social rules" tend to become more complex and they stop being able to cope. Instead of pumping them full of hormones and chopping them up for ducks sake test them, preferably by someone specialising in ASD girls.

The charity’s latest message for cervical screening awareness week encourages “everyone aged 25-64 with a cervix” to go for their smear test, with no mention of women at all

If a transwoman turns up for a smear test, what would the nurse do?

What a waste of resources. Shame on you CRUK.

A particular TRA group are known to target autistic kids and teens. “You don’t fit in do you? You’re not like everyone else? You don’t belong anywhere do you? Come with us, you belong here, we’ll show you.”

There are not words for how angry that makes me.

I felt those things as a child. I didn’t know then why. The thought of them targeting children who feel this way is sickening.

If a transwoman turns up for a smear test, what would the nurse do?

Sue Pascoe (a transwoman recently appointed Channel 4's Diversity consultant) described receiving a smear test appointment to the Women & Equalities Committee:

"Once I had my passport, my medical records got changed. It was really quite nice to get a letter from the NHS asking if I wanted to have a cervical cancer test—bizarre."

Sue Pascoe transitioned in her 50's and was interviewed:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3163747/Master-Hunt-woman-age-54-marks-day-man-going-bowling-enjoying-burger-sons.html

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3331095-Channel-4-appoints-a-new-advisor-on-inclusion

We are very aware of that group Hen and they are unscrupulous. At the risk of sounding like a bunch of conspiracy nuts they are using ASD Trans identifying people as a cover up. They are young, whilst the group targeting them are mostly made up of one demographic. They need the youth element to hide what we believe to be their true intentions.

A particular TRA group are known to target autistic kids and teens. “You don’t fit in do you? You’re not like everyone else? You don’t belong anywhere do you? Come with us, you belong here, we’ll show you.”

I am autistic and am glad that I was never to subjected to that kind of pressure as a teenager. I have never had any doubts about my sex -although I do not fit gender stereotypes - but for years I would have given anything to "belong".

Now, I'm older and don't care. You like me; you don't like me. It's all the same. shrug

@BeUpStanding yes saying changing your gender should be the same as a change of address was utterly ridiculous. Of course it shouldn't be so simple.

10 years it took me to get the surgery I needed to diagnose endometriosis. The average is 9 years.

And yet I’ve never once seen a woman complain about gynae cancers tying up theatre space.

Absolutely despicable.

The issue of transgender dysphoria (have I got that right?)

Buswankeress I think transgender dysphoria or maybe TRA-dysphoria might be a better way of putting it for the selfish people like those in the tweet whose obsession with their identity and mindset about it seems to be causing them and everyone else more harm than any distress and panic caused by sexed characteristics they have which is called gender dysphoria (though not all dysphoric people are trans and according to GIRES less than 20% of those who are dysphoric in the UK go for the medical procedures being described. How many non-dysphoric people are trying for such procedures is hard to answer but it is a growing concern).

There are many things with these groups that are worrying and frustrating, they can be very convincing and the unpicking takes time and knowledge that can make it harder particularly for vulnerable people. It's hard and I hope people can come together to discuss and fight for better ways without getting drowned out by that sort.