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To think that in the current dire state of the NHS finances it's a no brainer that first priority for mastectomies goes to cancer patients?

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TigerDrankAllTheWaterInTheTap · 18/09/2018 07:55

Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of whether the NHS or any doctor should ever be doing a mastectomy on a very young person with gender dysphoria, there is no question at all that a woman diagnosed with breast cancer needs treatment as top priority. (Or a man, in the very rare cases where a man gets breast cancer.)

The tweet I've attached is outrageously insensitive. The person concerned is using a mass blocker on Twitter so will never see most of the responses it's getting (mostly very negative indeed). Life in an echo chamber.

It's very worrying also to see the insistence that getting this surgery, that drug, has to happen right away or the person concerned will self-harm, maybe even try to commit suicide. This is very irresponsible. Ideas that like get hold from constant repetition.

To think that in the current dire state of the NHS finances it's a no brainer that first priority for mastectomies goes to cancer patients?
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BeUpStanding · 18/09/2018 07:58

Tweet says:

Trans patients were called last week and informed their long-awaited top surgery had been cancelled to let more cancer mastectomies happen. It’s not their responsibility.

Our surgery is not cosmetic.
Transgender wait times are fatal and I #WontDieWaiting


twitter.com/TobySinbad/status/1041589969410838529

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genehuntswife · 18/09/2018 08:00

Jesus wept, that can't be for real

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BeUpStanding · 18/09/2018 08:00

D'oh! Massive formatting fail...


Trans patients were called last week and informed their long-awaited top surgery had been cancelled to let more cancer mastectomies happen. It’s not their responsibility.

Our surgery is not cosmetic. Transgender wait times are fatal and I #WontDieWaiting

mobile.twitter.com/TobySinbad/status/1041589969410838529

And YANBU. The level of selfishness is breathtaking

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sexnotgender · 18/09/2018 08:03

It’s because they don’t live in the real world, they live in a fantasy make believe world.

YANBU.

We’re told it’s not a mental health condition in which case the surgery is cosmetic and shouldn’t be funded by an already overstretched NHS.

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TerfsUp · 18/09/2018 08:03

YANBU.

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TigerDrankAllTheWaterInTheTap · 18/09/2018 08:05

It is, isn't it. And it does seem to be real. The person concerned is a trans man, i.e. a biological female who's transitioned to living as a man. Not sure how old. Claims to be a journalist.

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TigerDrankAllTheWaterInTheTap · 18/09/2018 08:06

Good point, sexnotgender.

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PerryPerryThePlatypus · 18/09/2018 08:07

Threatening self harm and suicide is textbook abuse and manipulation. They want Trans to be demedicalised and not declared a mental health issue and yet want state paid for medical procedures. Can't ride two horses with one arse I'm afraid.
And actually cribbing about cancer patients having actual life saving treatment is as fucking low as a rats belly.

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IAmLurkacus · 18/09/2018 08:07

YANBU and they are certainly not helping public acceptance of their cause with this crap.

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weebarra · 18/09/2018 08:07

5 years since stage 3 breast cancer diagnosis, aged 36. Also blocked from Twitter by Toby. If you do die waiting it will be by your own hand, therefore implying choice. If I'd had to get in the queue behind you, my late diagnosed cancer would have killed me. FFS, have some inkling of the real world please.

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Elephantinacravat · 18/09/2018 08:09

These people have no clue about the real world. None.

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JaneR0chester · 18/09/2018 08:11

If it's not a medical condition or based on a mental health issue, surely it's cosmetic???? In which case why should an already overstretched NHS be doing this kind of surgery at all?!?!

I #WontDieWaiting for the tummy tuck I need (after having 2 babies and a c section....) and throw in some laser eye surgery and a boob job too please. And some facial surgery too because I'm not that keen on my jaw line - currently too masculine....

Wow, just wow at the entitlement Shock

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Cuntysnark · 18/09/2018 08:11

Absolute insanity.

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gilmoregal · 18/09/2018 08:13

You are definitely not being unreasonable.

Obviously anyone needing a mastectomy due to breast cancer should take priority as it's immediately necessary.

This isn't a trans issue, many non-urgent as they aren't immediately life threatening surgeries are pushed and delayed in order to prioritise those with life threatening illness'

Surely this is no different from being sat in A&E with a broken arm, you definitely need treatment from A&E however if someone came in an hour after you who has had a stroke they will be treated first.

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MissusGeneHunt · 18/09/2018 08:14

Narcissistic to say the least. Who the fuck does this individual think they are?

Big, big rage.

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Keeptrudging · 18/09/2018 08:15

Absolutely awful. I understand that it may be distressing to have your operation put back, but the response is so utterly devoid of any empathy for others. It's all 'me me me'.

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ClosdesMouches · 18/09/2018 08:24

YANBU.

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arranfan · 18/09/2018 08:36

There are some interesting tweets from that account.

Me and Maude the Nonbinary Unperson are trying to get enough people together to queue all the way around Skipton House on September the 26th at 2pm, where the NHS England Board will be hosting a lot of the big decision makers. Unlike Maude, I #WontDieWaiting

Could we get some boost for this protest against the sudden defunding of one of the >ten transmasculine specific mastectomy surgeons without warning or replacement. It sets a precedent that could aid a cut in the NHS services available to all UK trans ppl

Trans healthcare is being cut and we are expected to stay quiet about it, when there are more of us than ever. Come queue right around the #NHSEngland Board Meeting to illustrate how foolish it is to cut one of >10 top surgeons.

twitter.com/TobySinbad/status/1040924551180419072

FB about protest: www.facebook.com/events/259152721401084/

I don't know the tweeter so don't know the backstory of Maude.

I noticed another tweet. Not the point but my unhelpful, instinctive, reactions was to think of women waiting to be started on the diagnosis path for endometriosis, thyroid issues, various cancers. Women quite routinely wait this long for referrals for a mass of health conditions that have a substantial impact on quality of life etc.

Waiting times for 1st appointment at the Laurels GIC in Exeter have been reported at FOUR YEARS now. Which other demographic in the UK would wait this long for their 1st appointment to see a specialist

twitter.com/TransDevon/status/1040985048533684224

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Ghanagirl · 18/09/2018 08:37

Unfortunately these people are incredibly powerful they seem to have lots of support from politicians and even MNHQ have towed the line

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YeTalkShiteHen · 18/09/2018 08:39

My question would be this.

Without a mastectomy, for trans men, is there a possibility they could die of a disease in their breast tissue?

No?

Then fucking shut up and get out of the way so women who do have breast cancer can get the treatment they need and deserve.

Narcissistic bullshit.

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CesiraAndEnrico · 18/09/2018 09:06

Surely this is no different from being sat in A&E with a broken arm, you definitely need treatment from A&E however if someone came in an hour after you who has had a stroke they will be treated first.

If the person with a broken arm had been heavily steeped in a environment that reinforced

  • reinforced a "I am the umbilicus of the universe" mindset


  • overtly and covertly encouraged manipulation to capitulation strategies with suicide as the dangled threat. To the point where the person actually came to believe they could die by their own hand any minute and they had little to no control over the when/why. Potentially to the point where they may even feel internal pressure to make attempts (including accidentally successful ones) in order to better fit the picture that is painted of members of the group.


  • reinforced a belief they were a member of the most hard done by, most oppressed , most needy, most deserving patient group ever


... then to them their broken arm would genuinely feel like the real crisis, when compared to another person's "mild drama" of a stroke.

It was a terrible thing to say. It is an even worse thing to believe. But these people stropping over cancer patients getting fast tracked past them in the queue did not get this way on their own, or overnight. Within a cult-like structure, using cult-like techniques, their own vulnerabilities made them easy pickings. I don't think they are awful people. More they have been trained to behave, think and express themselves like awful people. This isolated them. Leaving them ever more dependent on the people who are selling them a lack of perspective (and a huge side serving of "self centred) as a virtue they should practise often, as publically as possible.

The really awful people are the ones operating the structure that turns people, who did not get the best cards when dealt their life hand, into egomaniacal overgrown toddlers, and then releases them on the public as the foot soldiers and cannon fodder of their movement.

There is a handful of charities in particular that I think make Kids Company look like really small potatoes in terms of rot at the top, with large scale human collateral damage among the rank and file.

Collateral damage that doesn't even know they have been emotionally and mentally bombed. With who they were, who they could have been (sex/gender aside, just in terms of character traits) having been altered into something much less attractive, ethical and able to have a balanced perspective.

These people are going to be rejected and pushed away their whole lives with this as their expressed outlook. They will think it is because they are trans. They won't ever realise it is because they have been helped into becoming truly unlikable humans.

When I say I feel sorry for them, it's not a passive aggressive dig. I genuinely do. Not least because it is such a waste of human potential. And it is not a happy thought that they will bear the long term cost of repelling so many people in the long term. All while being unable to change that, because they will likely continue to attribute people pulling away due to "transphobia". Leaving them blind to the reality that the solution to their increasing isolation is, and was, always in their own hands. And fuck all to do with the "raising awareness and thumping T*s" that is their knee-jerk response to rejection.

We are going to look back at this time and berate ourselves for the damage we have wrought on so many young people that many of them will have to live with for their entire lifetime. Not just because of what they has been done to their bodies, but also what has been done to their character as they developed. Some habits never get broken, they just become a part of who we are, and we have to live with the fall out of that.

The person absolutely has to take responsibility for what they said and why they said it. But that person likely did not evolve into this state in a vaccum. And it will be impossible stop more joining that "sweet Jesus, I can't believe somebody typed that with a straight face" team if we focus exclusively on the individual rather than the structures, with the power and the plump resources, dedicated to the creation of this character wrecking phenomenon.

As if transition from childhood to adulthood wasn't hard enough without the creation of this burgeoning and devastating trip wire to add to the mix.
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YeTalkShiteHen · 18/09/2018 09:07

I thought the women’s rights erosion was bad enough tbh, but going after cancer patients? NOW will people wake the fuck up and see this agenda for what it is???

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BiologyMatters · 18/09/2018 09:10

That's what you get when social media and mainstream media is telling the world that trans people are the most oppressed and demonized people in the history of the world and all their demands must be met or they'll kill themselves. People then feel entitled to place themselves in front of cancer sufferers without impunity.

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YeTalkShiteHen · 18/09/2018 09:11

People then feel entitled to place themselves in front of cancer sufferers without impunity

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AornisHades · 18/09/2018 09:12

arran you can add to your list, autism diagnosis and appointments with CAMHS in general.

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