to be annoyed Premier Inn wants my passport details

[DorothyL]

and my "next destination" because I'm not a UK citizen.
My next destination is home ffs - another town in the UK. I'm a UK resident and taxpayer. Why do they insist on this, other hotels don't?

There may be no requirement to carruy ID cards in general but there is a requirement to do so if non British and booking into a hotel.

Premier Inn's terms & Conditions state:

Guests will be asked to provide proof of identity and nationality upon check-in. Overseas guests, excluding Republic of Ireland and Commonwealth citizens, will be asked to complete a registration form and provide their identity card / passport details. Acceptable forms of identification are: a passport, driving licence, ID card or police warrant card.

If you RTFT you will see that they do have a need to know the OP's nationality and passport number in order to comply with their legal obligations.

Interesting how I could open a bank account with my driving licence but wo the need of passport but somehow if I want to stay at a hotel I should have my passport with me.
And that’s even though I’m not british (but my driving licence is).

It seems that rules to stay in a hotel are stricter than when opening a bank account then

For those saying that ‘it’s the law, you get in with it’, if this was the law, then it wouod have to be applied to B&B, air/pB&B, campsites etc...
a law that is been applied by only some providers doesn’t make sense.
And it makes even less sense if it only applies to non British peole because ... ah yes you can’t tell if someone is or isn’t british just by looking at them (let alone just by clicking in a website!).

That law is just not applicable like it is nowdays (you can see it’s from the 1970s and one has looked at it again!).

OP just don’t answer or put a stupid answer instead.
Either everyone is checked over, including all British citizens, or no one is, unless you want to have everyone been racially profiled.

Biwi Have had to provide passports at hotel receptions in Lisbon, Copenhagen, Prague, Vienna and Bratislava.

Well, many hotels in the UK don't ask for EU nationals' passports - despite the Immigration Hotel Records Order 1972. At least with larger chains, this is presumably because their legal departments believe that the order in question is incompatible with EU law, so not applying it to EU nationals wouldn't be unlikely to land them in hot water.

I am a British national with a standard UK/EU passport. I have been asked for my passport in every non UK hotel I have stayed in. A Holiday Inn in Paris asked for it last week.

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*There may be no requirement to carruy ID cards in general but there is a requirement to do so if non British and booking into a hotel.

Premier Inn's terms & Conditions state:

Guests will be asked to provide proof of identity and nationality upon check-in. Overseas guests, excluding Republic of Ireland and Commonwealth citizens, will be asked to complete a registration form and provide their identity card / passport details. Acceptable forms of identification are: a passport, driving licence, ID card or police warrant card.*

AlexanderHamilton's post is a good example of how people don't seem to understand the difference between an actual legal requirement and a clause some private company put into their T&Cs.

The Immigration Hotel Records Order 1972 should most likely have been amended / replaced years ago (because it discriminates against EU nationals by treating them differently to British citizens). As long as it's still in existence, it needs to be interpreted in accordance with EU law, which means not forcing hotels to ask EU nationals for ID.

Who a hotel as a private business can ask for what type of ID if it wants to, is a largely separate question.

if this was the law, then it wouod have to be applied to B&B, air/pB&B, campsites etc... a law that is been applied by only some providers doesn’t make sense

As far as I am aware it does apply to these businesses, not just hotels. Just because they don't ask does not mean it doesn't apply.

This seems like a non issue to me, the majority of hotels need to see your passport.

Nothing sinister behind it

The Immigration Hotel Records Order 1972 should most likely have been amended / replaced years ago (because it discriminates against EU nationals by treating them differently to British citizens). As long as it's still in existence, it needs to be interpreted in accordance with EU law, which means not forcing hotels to ask EU nationals for ID.

EU citizens travelling in the UK can, to a certain extent, he treated differently to British citizens. There is no ban on any difference in treatment. It's just filling out a quick form - hardly discriminatory!

This is what happens when we let society be run by robots.

EU citizens travelling in the UK can, to a certain extent, he treated differently to British citizens. There is no ban on any difference in treatment. It's just filling out a quick form - hardly discriminatory!

Yes, I know they can be treated differently to an extent for reasons of public policy and security. I just don't think that this is an example where such an exception would apply and the legal departments of several large hotel chains appear to agree with me. The state forcing private individuals and companies to do their dirty work is quite often legally very dodgy ground anyways.

And no, it's not just filling out a form. It's forcing EU nationals to carry ID when Brits don't have to. All the people on here claiming that ID cards = police state would presumably be very annoyed at be required to do so.

Premier Inn can of course ask guests for pretty much whatever kind of ID they like and I personally wouldn't have a problem with it. Maybe because I'm used to carrying an ID card and using it everywhere from the post office to hotels anyways. Very handy, much less fuss and identity theft.

Oh, and Ally: the OP is not travelling in the UK, she's a resident.

I am perfectly aware of the difference between policy and law.

Whilst the 1972 order is considered to be obsolete and is being considered for repeal whilst it is still on the books it remains a legal requirement.

the OP is not travelling in the UK, she's a resident.

She is travelling in the UK - she is not at her usual address of residence. It is like I would be travelling if I took a trip to eg Edinburgh.

Then I'm not sure why you would mention Premier Inn's T&Cs when talking about a legal requirement.

the OP is not travelling in the UK, she's a resident.

Eh? Of course they are travelling

She is travelling in the UK - she is not at her usual address of residence. It is like I would be travelling if I took a trip to eg Edinburgh

She gave a nationality which was not British. It has nothing to do with her being resident in the UK .

And no, it's not just filling out a form. It's forcing EU nationals to carry ID when Brits don't have to

It is "forcing" any one whose nationality isn't British to produce ID. A Holiday Inn in Paris "forced me" to produce my passport last week as I'm not a French national.

It is "forcing" any one whose nationality isn't British to produce ID. A Holiday Inn in Paris "forced me" to produce my passport last week as I'm not a French national.

This is only relevant to the thread if French law requires EU nationals to show ID upon check-in but not French citizens.
Holiday Inn can ask for whatever type of ID they like (horizontal effect of Treaty Rights only applies to a limited number of situations and this is probably not one of them).

It's forcing EU nationals to carry ID when Brits don't have to

I think I would twice about what you are wishing for.
Saying that it’s ok to ask for a form of Id from any non british person arriving at a hotel means you will also have to acceptbthat all British people will, have to show a form of Id too.
Otherwise, how will you know if the person in front of you is or isn’t british? By their look or their accent? By their name? Can you see how it could be open to excess and problems?

Don’t forget what happened when they started to say that all people receiving NHS treatments might have to prove they were entitled to it. Some british people in holiday who ended up in hospital werevtold they coodnt treated because ‘their accent was clearly not british’ (Scottish people on hols on London...)

So by insisting on a system like this wo any usual form of Id (aka ID card or passport BUT NOT driving licence - I have a UK driving licence even though I’m not british) you end also accepting that all british people will have to carry a passport (or ID card) with them.
Or of course you can also accept racial profiling and hope that you will never fall into the wrong ‘group’.

Btw in France, you are supposed to always have your ID card with you.
So it would be quite common for someone to be asked for their ID card and for them to be able to show it wo a second thought.

For those saying that ‘it’s the law, you get in with it’, if this was the law, then it wouod have to be applied to B&B, air/pB&B, campsites etc

This is indeed the law. It applies to "any hotel or other premises, whether furnished or unfurnished, where lodging or sleeping accommodation is provided for reward" with some exceptions (schools, hospitals, clubs, etc.). So it applies to B&Bs, although it is likely that many of them are not aware of this and break the law regularly. AirBnB is interesting - not sure what the courts would make of that if an owner was sued. I think the authorities would struggle to argue that it applies to campsites given the wording. It may be inconsistent, and it may be applied inconsistently, but it is the law.

It's forcing EU nationals to carry ID when Brits don't have to. All the people on here claiming that ID cards = police state would presumably be very annoyed at be required to do so.

No it isn't. There is no requirement in the legislation for EU nationals to produce their passport. The hotel just needs to get their passport number and place of issue. There is no requirement for them to actually see the passport.

And your comparison with ID cards is wrong. As we are not part of Schengen, any EU national in the UK must have a passport, just as we must have passports if we want to go elsewhere in the EU. That is very different from requiring people to hold an ID card which they must carry with them at all times within their own country and which, under the proposals that were put forward a while ago, would have resulted in the government holding far more information about us than they do today.

Nope, you can come from the EU with an ID card instead of a passport.
The reason Brits need a passport is because they dint have ID cards.

If there is requirement to see the pasort in a hotel, it’s becoming even more crazy though. As you could give them ANY passport number and they wouodnt know any better!!

Nope, you can come from the EU with an ID card instead of a passport.

And I beleive the National Identity card fulfils the requirement sof this legislation.

To answer a poster upthread. The reason I posted the extract from Premier Inn terms was to demonstrate that they do make the requirement clear when booking.