The purge has begun Aibu to think that labour members do not understand this

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So the pruge of the Moderates has started
But the villagers with their stralinist pitch forks have missed one important thing

That you can win an election no matter how increased your member ship is Mr Corbyn will need to convince floating voters Tory’s and UKIP voters to vote for him

And he can pose with grime artists and student unhook reps who will alll sing oohhhb Jeremy Corbyn turn up to the rallies but don’t vote in any noteable numbers to change much and trans people only make up about 1% of the population so......

It’s ridiculous to pretend they’re the first Labour Party with socialist ideas.
Just some of the last governement’s acheivements below:

1. National minimum wage
2. Civil partnerships
3. Tax credits
4. Good Friday Agreement
5. Human Rights Act
6. Investment in a cash-starved NHS and education system
7. Sure start centres and every child matters lifting 1000s of children out of poverty

Yes the Iraq war was a disaster but millions of working class people had their life’s improved under Blair what has Corbyn actually achieved other than ripping the party apart?

Blue Labour is absolutely bollox the far left have nothing to do with democractic socialism.

Just seen this, what a disgusting and shameful piece of shit this person is;

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/warsaw-ghetto-vandal-to-speak-at-momentums-corbyn-festival-0rr8m7wqb

Hope all you Corbynistas are proud of your new Na(st)zi party!

The 'vote of no confidence' meeting over Joan Ryan, was attended by a member who videoed and live tweeted the meeting for PressTV UK, an arm of a 24 hour Iranian news channel with close links to the Islamic Republic of Iranian Broadcasting. PressTV UK had their broadcasting licence revoked by OFCOM a few years ago.

Jeremy Corbyn has appeared on the channel as an external broadcaster. This is, I repeat, a channel with close links to the state broadcaster of Iran, a country with appalling policies/attitudes on women, LGBTQ people. A country whose leader has said he wants to wipe all Jews off the map.

And Corbynites are telling people they shouldn't be worried.

The Labour Party is fucking lost.

Diane abott
John mc Donald
And ohhhhh Jeremy Corbyn

It's John McDonnell.

Just don't vote for them then

I'm a tory

So you voted for the discrimination of the poor and disabled and the crippling of the NHS and the schools but you get all high and mighty because others would prefer a change.

Presumably we can just wait and see whether they will be voted in or not. Not sure what your aim was with this thread.

We are coming up to annual conference time

The problem with centre parties is that because if our voting system they rarely do well

Either moderates have to push back which will mean another year or two fighting or break away but they have to collectively make that decision

The reason Corbyn is gaining ground is the same reason that the SNP are in power, the same reason Trump got in and the same reason the UK voted for Brexit.

The reason is that the status quo is no longer a viable option. People have had enough of being screwed over by the political elite. Keep doing the same thing, you'll get the same results. Popularist politicians may spout rubbish, ignore facts and so on, but they appear to offer an alternative to things remaining the same.

Them getting into power may be disastrous, but, for example, if people see their living standards being eroded and themselves feeling slightly poorer year after year, it's no surprise they are willing to risk voting for someone different.

There are a number of factors why populism has increased the financial crises is still being felt by many political elitism and fighting against the establishment means what exactly

Labour is down in their popularity against a fractured Tory party they would usually be points ahead and the Tories will absolutely pull together when an election looms May made the mistake of going it alone they won’t risk that again

Labour won’t win an election they are in quite a good position at the moment but have proved to be an utterly useless many are starting to see what Corbyn is really about what so many of us knew all along

The reason Corbyn is gaining ground is the same reason that the SNP are in power, the same reason Trump got in and the same reason the UK voted for Brexit.

The problem is his not gaining ground. Labour and the Tories are pretty much level in the polls. Given the shit show of a government Labour should be outstripping them by miles. They’re not because Corbyn doesn’t appeal to anyone but his supporters.

The media are misrepresenting Chuka Umunna's remarks apparently.

He was at a BAME voices for PROGRESS presentation.

Greater representation for BAME people isn't a real campaign.

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155459005691750&id=716791749

Check out some of the comrades' comments.

Chris Williamson seems to be conducting some sort of campaign -

www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/derby-news/derby-mp-gives-sharp-rebuttal-1983073

I think most new/floating Labour voters don't really get the anti-Semitism or care. I am in my 50s and was brought up on the horrors of WWII, Nazis, Anne Frank, When Hitler Stole Pink Rabbit etc etc. Do most young people today have any connection with any of this? I'm not sure they do.

The "Ooooh Jeremy Coooor-byn" (sing the White Stripes tune)was a moment and just another chance to stick the right colours on your social media (after Charlie Hebdo, Paris, refugees, Manchester etc etc).

What the current Labour machine actually stands for and the fact that you might get Diane Abbot as Home Secretary is not of interest.

Anti semitism also doesn't matter to them because numbers wise the Jewish community isn't large enough

I too feel politically homeless. My party doesn't want people like me as a member. So with a heavy heart I don't feel I have any choice but to resign my party membership.

I read something that i can't now find, that basically argued that Corbyn and Momentum's definition of "winning" is having control of the party and the left arguments, winning a general election and power would be lovely, but that's not their aim. So right now, according to their definition of "winning", they are doing great. General elections only matter that you don't get wiped out enough to have your arguments and power replaced.

This makes all of this make sense. If you don't actually mind if your party leader gets to be Prime Minister, then currently things are going great.

Labour leadership don't want to be in power enough to try to win over left leaning Tory voters. It's fine that they don't.

@bananafish81 - yes the 'number of British Jews' thing seems to be a theme that runs through many tweets from Corbynites on Twitter, along the lines of 'why is antisemitism such an issue, when there are so few Jews'.

I always reply to them saying that (a) census statistics tend to base the number of Jews on those who answer the voluntary religion question, and also (b) there's no Jewish option under the ethnicity question, although you can write it in (and you can find figures on that), however it's likely there are many non-religious ethnic Jews who just tick the relevant box like 'white British', 'black British' etc, but don't write in 'Jewish'. Therefore, it's very likely that the figures on the number of Jews reported, is actually much lower than it really is. Obviously still a minority, but perhaps a larger one than people think.

However, I also point out to them, that even more importantly than that, while our numbers might be few, we have many allies, and they're also alienating them.

I've just read what I've written back, and want to clarify something, as I didn't word it well. To be clearer, it's very likely that the figures published on the number of British Jews, actually underestimate how many there really are.

The fact that the likes of Irving, Duke, Icke and Griffin have all celebrated the Corbyn takeover of Labour should ring alarm bells, it's the mental gymnastics and hypocrisy of Corbyn/Momentum that does portray a kind of cult like behavior.

Still, this situation was forewarned and as others have said is repeating the 80's, only this time you have a lot of the Corbynites actively supporting a neolibral project by wanting to stay in the EU and ignore the principled leaders position.

We are turning into an American "soundbite" politics, its just entrenched team sports

Check out some of the comrades' comments

Utterly appalling

ConferencePear couldn't you have put a warning that the link included that terrifying photo of Williamson?? Admittedly it's some time since I had dealings with him, but I'll have nightmares now ...

It’s all going to really get messy at the annual conference

That might not be a bad thing the press showing the public how low the Labour Party have sunk

When have we ever heard of MP’s being threatened by supporters of the party leader this didn’t happen under Blair, Brown or Miliband

The party is a disgrace

Anyone listen to the Westminster Hour on BBC Radio 4?

There was a feature about a small group of nine swing voters who were asked if the political parties were people, where would they live and work? What kind of people would they be?

According to the (admittedly very small) survey, the Tories hadn't changed but Labour was an urban hippie student, who ate quinoa.

They felt that the current Labour Party doesn't represent 'ordinary people', but urban, city dwelling students and the voters were extremely ambivalent about voting for anyone at all.

Labour hasn't 'spoken to me' since the Iraq war to be honest. It has become a 'right on' blinkered party with seemingly little experience of how the real world actually works.

It has become a party of greed and envy - nothing like what my parents and grandparents voted for and worked for (at a local level).

I think that it is a symptom of modern society though - expectations way beyond common sense or need. This especially damages those who are genuinely in need as the coffers are not bottomless.

Corbyn is useless and has the foreign policy ideas of a 14 year old on youtube and shouldnt be in charge of a cat, but im afraid people have also picked up all the other rubbish about him and are parroting it direct from our rancid newspapers. Economically Labour is hardly that far to the left than they were in 97, and no repeating 'VENEZUELA!!' makes that true. The UK is not a developing, south american, oil rich nation with massive levels of corruption. Its like if centre left were people shouting 'MUSSONLINI'S ITALY!!' whenever right wing economics are suggested.

Also, how far left would the 1945 labour government- considered by a lot of people who know about these things to be britains greatest government, have been on today's spectrum? centre left policies have been a great success before at a time when the country was emerging with massive debts and rationing.

I’m a lifelong labour voter. I strongly supported, and voted for, Corbyn. I was excited about this new direction the Labour Party was taking.
Now, you couldn’t pay me to vote labour - they have entirely destroyed my trust in them. Until they sort out their attitude to a) women and b) Jews, I can’t in good conscience vote for them. It gives me no pleasure whatsoever to say this

Now Rosie Duffield is facing a motion of censure by her local party.

She won a Tory safe seat and being censured by her own party for being anti-racist to the wrong people.

For Momentum and Corbynistas its party ideological, purity is of greater worth than the opportunity of government. One of the many problems of governing (to the mind of a hard-line purist) is the need to dirty one's hands with compromise.

Labour is a sewer.