The purge has begun Aibu to think that labour members do not understand this

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So the pruge of the Moderates has started
But the villagers with their stralinist pitch forks have missed one important thing

That you can win an election no matter how increased your member ship is Mr Corbyn will need to convince floating voters Tory’s and UKIP voters to vote for him

And he can pose with grime artists and student unhook reps who will alll sing oohhhb Jeremy Corbyn turn up to the rallies but don’t vote in any noteable numbers to change much and trans people only make up about 1% of the population so......

The OP is right to warn of a 'purge' (deselection) of moderate Labour MPs. Moderate Labour Party members are not the kind who will always turn out at local meetings, but those on the left will.

I seldom agree with Tony Blair, but his comments about the 'politically homeless' as I term it, are spot on.

I do not want to have to rely on the SNP and a few independents as the only real opposition to this government, as we do now.

1, we have a centrist party - the Lib Dem’s. They are doing well aren’t they.
2, the current government scare me. The very real possibility of JRM or Boris Johnson as PM scares the hell out of me. The rampant islamophobia of the Tory party scares me. The possibility of No Deal Brexit scares me.

I don’t think labour are perfect and Corbyn far from it, but he represents the first time in a generation real progressive socialist policies have had air time, and that should be seen as a good thing.

Moderate Labour Party members are not the kind who will always turn out at local meetings, but those on the left will

You're right of course - this apathy is precisely how extremists take over

The difference is that Militant Tendency never managed it and Momentum certainly have

I blame him for Brexit almost as much as I blame Boris and co.

Lots of the areas that voted leave are labour heartlands. If Corbyn had been out there campaigning properly and explaining that those may well be the very same areas that will suffer the most, we could have had a different result. But no, mr rebel, mr doesn’t toe the party line - he didn’t do that.

Am I being really unfair?

I'd like to support the LibDems - I agree with them on lots of things, but I can't abide their anti-democratic and opportunistic Brexit stance (I voted Leave).

Can't stand Corbyn but at least when it comes to Brexit he is not attempting to derail democracy.

And I agree with the OP. There is a purge going on reminiscent of 1930s USSR. It is frankly terrifying.

We were warned this would happen, and now it has.
The nasty side of labour is trying by any means it can to gain power, reminds me very much of how Hitler took control.

I'm a Labour voter (or was), party member - (and also non Zionist British Jew, in the interests of full disclosure)

Labour should be running rings around this shambles of a Tory government. They should be whipping their arses. The Tories are practically bending over with their trousers round their ankles, so to speak

What has JC done as leader of the opposition, to hold this shit show of a government to account, to pose a really viable challenge to the Tories and win over swing voters?

Well, er, he spent most of the summer dictating to Jews what constitutes racism against them, and coming up with a tax to support the licence fee.

That ought to do it!

But Jeremy is amazing at campaigning, come the next election he will be a bright star. He will promise to make Britain great again.

He will make promises to double the minimum wage, hike taxes up, break up Amazon, make education free for everyone, wipe out student loans, bring back bursaries, put unions in charge of wages, compulsory rent reduction, state seizure of electricity, gas, railway, post office, give the NHS unlimited 'support', free movement of inwards immigration (apart from Jews) and free transport to get here.

No one will care about the truth or facts, if Jeremy promises it then it must be possible. John McDonnell spelled it out recently, their goal is to "overthrow of capitalism".

It will happen ... people love free money now, worry about it later.

Jazzy beats

I think your ‘grass is greener’ view on socialism is dangerous and a little naive. Capitalism is the force that has propelled the west to its current point in history. By comparison socialism will cause stagnation at best.

When it is tried in anything like an extreme way socialism fails and causes misery. Those who claim it has never been tried ‘properly’ are just being obtuse

It bores me that people focus on Corbyn while the Tory party are burning the country to the ground.

Precisely because the Tories are burning this country to the ground and I want to see them ousted from power

But to do that requires winning over swing voters in key marginal constituencies

I want a Labour party that's posing a viable opposition and has a strategy to win over floating voters to get into government

I can't see any of this coming from Corbyn

The current goings on in some of the Labour constituency parties reminds me of the early 1980s when Militant saught to take over the Party. The upshot was 18 years on Tory rule, much of it Thatcher led with her policies which still blight the country - eg council house sales but mot allowing councils to build mew houses with the receipts is a major factor in current housing crisis. The left voted Michael Foot as leadrer - nice man, articulate and a good socialist, but never in a million years a prime minister. Corbyn is of that ilk. I support many of his economic and social justice ideas, but he has shown over and over again he is not a leader. He seems to me to be led by events rather than leading. To paraphrase Neil Kinnock - I fear for the poor, the sick, those in education etc as the Tories seem to be as popular as Labour and come the lecection if they have that clown BoJo as leader could be re-elected. Corbyn is in sync with the members but I fear a disconnect between the members and the Labour voters like me.

They are all dickheads honestly. They were living the high life off their ill-gotten gains, pretending to be businessmen by stealing everything from so many people, engaging in the very sort of worst abuses etc and then 9/11, collapsing birthrates etc ruined their little party except now they are trying it all on again.

I find myself utterly bewildered. As a lifelong Labour voter in a safe Tory constituency I find myself drawn to voting for my actively pro-Remain MP.

Can't vote for the Labour candidate - looked into joining and found our CLP has massively swallowed the Koolaid on trans. Plus it's not as if you have to look hard for the anti-Semitism.
Greens - well, what can I say after the Aimee Challenor affair
And Lib Dems - currently shambolic.

Rights? What rights exactly? Whose rights?
What are the rights that is wanted exactly?

For years people complained about the 2 biggest parties not being distinct from each other, now Labour tries to create those distinctions & people moan about extremism. Pah.

I voted Labour for the first time ever, in the last GE. Not because of Corbyn - but my local MP was very good, moderate, bright and practical. I thought long and hard before voting, because I was concerned about the cult of personality around JC and the increasingly strident control from Momentum. However I went with Labour because I could not, in all conscience, vote Tory again after seeing what they were doing to council budgets, the NHS, workfare etc. If I have to pay more tax so that we as a society can care for our elderly, support people in poverty, encourage education and life long learning, care for our sick and support people with disabilities, then so be it - because I'd rather do that and live in a country that does all of those things. There but for the grace of God and all that.

I hope to God someone manages to do something with the Labour party because I can't vote Labour again whilst it's in this mess. It's like a modern-day political coup, where the zealots are busy ignoring what voters actually want and telling "the masses" that they know what's best for them. The Conservative party is a bloody joke, the Lib Dems are obsessed with trans rights and obliterating what it means to be biologically female - likewise the Greens. Who the fuck am I supposed to vote for?

Trevor Philips come out now, saying Labour is racist.

You couldn't make this stuff up. You really couldn't.

Re the patronising comment that corbyn should have been in labour's heart lands explaining to them that brexit will hit the the hardest...

How out of touch can someone be.
This is the bloody problem!! Labour shouldn't be out there explaining to people whose life can't get worse that they need to vote remain they need to listen to people and act on what they want!!

Goodness if Labour want to keep explaining why people's own views are wrong... It's the last of them it really is.

Why can't Labour people get this!!

We need a new centre party. I couldn’t vote for either Labour or Tory at the moment.

A new anti brexit centre party.

Why are LibDems not what you want, serbska? They started as splinters from Labour under MFood (iirc).

I'm a non-religious Jew, who has always voted Labour, but I now feel politically 'homeless'. I would never vote Tory.

The antisemitism I have experienced online, and specifically Twitter, has been appalling.

However it hasn't just been online, I've experienced IRL too, even at my local Labor Party group. A fellow member made antisemitic comments to my face (the usual 'you control the banks/media/weather' type BS), which I reported, but was told as I have no proof (guess I should wear a body-cam at all times!!), it wasn't taken further. So now our word is not enough.

That was it for me. I'm done. The Labour Party is no longer a place where I feel welcome.

• Not sure how that rogue 'Labor' got in there, instead of Labour!

This thread is bananas.

I don’t think labour are perfect and Corbyn far from it, but he represents the first time in a generation real progressive socialist policies have had air time, and that should be seen as a good thing.

This ^

It's great to actually have a socialist party to choose from rather than the Dark blue Tories and the Light Blue Tories that New Labour was.

Socialism is supposed to be about collective equality for everyone. I'm struggling to see how it is socialist to ignore the views of the people you are supposed to represent. How is it socialist to stand by and watch people be actively targeted and bullied out of your party, against the wishes of the constituents who voted for them? How is it socialist to refuse to take a hard stand against discrimination against Jewish people, despite a wealth of evidence that antisemitism is hard-baked into your party? How is it socialist to refuse to actively engage against a Government that is literally doing all of the things that you stand against, because you are too busy in-fighting with each other?

They don't have policies - they have theories. And like all extreme theorists, they are too busy arguing amongst themselves about who are the 'true believers' and purging anyone they don't like the look of, whilst society is being systematically picked apart by the 1%. Talk about fiddling whilst Rome fucking burns.

They aren't socialists. I don't know what they are, but the socialists I know are busy out there trying to make a difference and getting their hands dirty helping people, instead of waving their little rule books and banging on about comradeship.