AIBU not to agree to holiday pay for a self-employed child minder?

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Am a bitch? To me: self employed means you sort tax out your self, take ‘more’ pay home and take holidays when you want, have more autonomy on hours etc. but don’t recieve sick/ holiday pay. To get these you need to register as employed? Advice/ experience please...

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I’m a realist. People who earn little and who have to opportunity to reduce their tax bill. Fucking go for it I say. That’s what accountants are for.
She’s not exactly amazon or Apple.

It’s the little people HMRC tend to go for as they are easy targets.

yesiamgoingtoeatthat self employed are not entitled to holiday pay, however it is advisable for them to build this in their hourly / daily rates

Not true lowtide, HMRC investigate very small employers

@lowtide - what do we ou think accountants are for? I think the overwhelming majority of accountants would distance themselves from tax evasion. No accountant would recommend that the OP engages this person on a self-employed basis.

Lowtide I have made a ‘loss’ by employing nannies (legitimately) in order to work for four years. I have no choice due to lack of other childcare options. It is worth it in the long run as I will have continued to develop my career.

It’s very expensive to do things properly, but why should some of us stick to the law when others don’t? There is a moral obligation to contribute.

Accountants don’t help people evade tax by the way or those that do face criminal charges

I agree OP

FGS please don’t listen to Lowtide and the others telling you it’s such a great idea to ignore the very real threat from HMRC should you claim your employee is self employed when their not!

You really can get in an awful lot of trouble and all it takes is the nanny/childminder to open her mouth to the wrong person, you to fall out with someone or someone to have a vendetta against you for whatever reason and you’re up shit creek with HMRC.

I would definitely not get involved in tax evasion- you are responsible to hmrc for the tax of your employees if they are factually your employees. They will come after you for tax and penalties if you get caught. And I don’t know any accountants involved in blatant tax avoidance

I’m a realist. People who earn little and who have to opportunity to reduce their tax bill. Fucking go for it I say. That’s what accountants are for.

I am an accountant. I'm not the sort of accountant that can help in this situation but I am very clear on the ethical obligations of an accountant and evading tax dishonestly is absolutely not what they are for.

This is a known area for tax evasion - as is the cash in hand working that goes on so often. The consequences, for those caught, can be devastating.

What do you possibly mean about HMRC?

The contract is being drawn up. It can include holiday pay, sickness pay, a promise of only brown M&Ms left in a bowl for her every morning if that's what she asks for.

It's up to you if you want to negotiate, say no or agree. Three pretty basic options.