to think that sex offenders should forfeit the right to change gender

[doedoe90303811]

Gary Cooper raped multiple girls by posing as a 15yo girl called Carrie.

www.itv.com/news/meridian/2012-11-15/online-paedophile-jailed-for-14-years/

He's now in prison identifying as a woman called Carrie, and is on trial for the sexual abuse of a 7yo girl.

www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/news/hertfordshire-news/hertford-woman-face-trial-after-1195025
www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/local-news/littlehey-prison-paedophiles-cambridgeshire-cooper-15108328

AIBU to think that as part of sex offender rehabilitation it's dangerous to allow him the delusion that he is, or ever can be, a female called Carrie? And not to mention insulting to the victims in view of the fact that he committed these offences because he is male and they are female?

He should of just been shot

While I know what it's like to hate one's birth sex, I don't really fully grasp the idea of being a different sex on the inside. But I cannot understand how, and will never accept that a rapist could, under any system or rational process, legitimately claim that he knows how women feel. Anyone suggesting that women should just accept a rapist as female or else they're transphobic is similarly deluded, and demonstrating the same attitude to women that rape comes from. I completely agree op.

I believe in personal liberty, so I wouldn't take this right from this person - being locked up should be enough to keep the public safe.

I would hope that they would receive a life sentence and only released by the parole board if they thought it was safe to do so. Then the question of whether his self-identity was a delusion that made them more of a risk could be properly considered.

I think he/she should be allowed to identify as whatever gender he/she likes and have the operation if they so wish ... BUT I think prisons should be seperated based on sex, not gender. If this thing (I use that term in relation to offences not being trans btw) having a gender reassignment means they will then be allowed in a female prison then no, I don't think they should be allowed.

As long as he is in a male prison with no access to humans under the age of 18 I couldn't care less who he identifies as

I haven't opened the link so don't know if this is the case

well no. Because if its classed as medical treatment then its a human right. You cant go around denying people what is classed as medical treatment regardless of what crime they have committed.

It may be that its classed as medical treatment that should be the thing you take issue with?

Any treatment that is provided on the NHS has to be allowed to prisoners.

No, but such offenders should forfeit the right to new birth certs etc., and any other move or change that would disassociate them from their past as a sex offender called Gary Cooper or whatever. It is important that a serial offender remains identifiable as that offender T ll times, and is traceable.

@Early Crimes committed prior to transition still show up on a DBS check regardless of name change, surgery or GRC.

There's a special DBS application process trans prior can go through, but this is only so that trans status / old name is not disclosed to a new employer. Any crimes will still be disclosed. Carrie and Gary are equally identifiable as sex offenders.

Only problem with that @knittingdad is that if he becomes she and goes to a female prison, they are able to abuse the female staff and inmates there.

Shouldn't be allowed to bloody marry either!!

I'd cut their cocks slowly and painfully, no problem

There seems a lot of offenders do this. I wonder that if after their court case they miss the lime-light and this is just another form of attention seeking. Or another way to 'get' to their victims.

he committed these offences because he is male and they are female
No, she committed these offences because of her (depending on your opinion) free will or mental health issues, not because of her sex/gender at the time. Men don't have a monopoly on sexual assault.

Men don't have a monopoly on sexual assault.

Erm to be fair, men certainly do have a monopoly on raping people with their penises.

I actually think this would be a good idea. There needs to be a brutally hard delineation between the general trans community and sex offenders, the people who benefit the most from this are trans people.

If you rape someone, murder someone or sexually abuse a child, you are permanently done as far as gender reassignment goes, you will never be allowed the rights, responsibilities and access you would need.

We do no less with other big responsibilities - childcare, working in the police, firearms licenses, the list goes on, and I don't think you could make the conditions easier to abide by than "Don't rape kill or sexually abuse anyone" so about 100% of trans people with genuine motivations would be fine.

Littlekitty1985, you are very very wrong.

Men do in fact have a monopoly on sexual assault. 99% to be accurate. www.mirror.co.uk/news/ampp3d/rotherham-report-what-most-sex-4118199 If that's not a monopoly, I don't know what is.

And 83% of victims are female.

All criminals should lose rights like this once convicted. Only for the time they are in there of course.

Keep them alive obviously, feed them, give them necessary medical treatment. They don't need anything else. He doesn't need to be a woman in there, so he has no right to it. He needs rehabilitation and education, although doubtful either will work on him. But gender reassignment? No.

@toothtruth

well no. Because if its classed as medical treatment then its a human right. You cant go around denying people what is classed as medical treatment regardless of what crime they have committed.

I wonder if this is why the government is pushing to demedicalise this. So this won't apply any more?

IMO prisons should be segregated by biological sex. So wouldn't matter how he identifies. No male prisoner should be housed with female.

Whenever someone posts on Facebook about a sex offender, someone else immediately says they should all be castrated.

I do wonder whether that might solve some long term problems.

Castrate them by all means. Doesn't make them female though. Just castrated males.

@doedoe90303811 Yes you clearly don't know what "monopoly" means (the clue is in the "mono" part!) & also your statistic is way off, try researching some actual scientific evidence rather than just quoting the mirror eg. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/digest.bps.org.uk/2017/07/11/sexual-offending-by-women-is-surprisingly-common-claims-us-study/amp/

No, you can't just take the prefix and ignore the meaning of the word. A monopoly doesn't mean there are no others, it just means that actor is overwhelmingly dominant and controls the market.

Also there's no need to report some shitty US study, if you actually could be bothered to follow the links in the Mirror they are impeccably sourced to gov.uk sources.

Yanbu. As changing your legal gender effectively erases your past and gives you the same legal rights as your acquired gender; violent offenders should be barred from changing their gender.

committed these offences because he is male and they are female?

No he/she/it committed the offences because they are a dangerous and cruel person not because of their sex.The vast majority of men are
not violent criminals and your post suggests maleness=rapeyness

No, not all men are rapists.

However rape is a male crime.

If she'd had her penis removed at a younger age do you think she still would have gone on to sexually assault these girls?