To think the gov should be giving some proper advice re booking flights and holidays for next year post Brexit

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I had no idea re the open skies issue or that insurance companies won't be insuring cancellations caused by Brexit. Having seen two threads on MN discussing it,I now do.

Not everybody can afford to lose the cost of holidays and flights,many need to book now for next summer as flights get released.

It's a bit late and a bit shit that consumers aren't getting warnings or advice.

Can't help but feel that only a cancelled package holiday to Benidorm without compensation will be the only way to make many leave voters realise this really wasn't such a great idea after all.

I'm not booking a post-March holiday yet, I'm delaying plans to get a mortgage because of the risk of redundancy and house price crashes, I'm trying to put some extra money by (no bad thing) and a little nearer the time I'll be buying in extra food to insulate against shortages. If there are no shortages I'll just not need to buy any more tinned or frozen food for a few months. I predict a complete shit show.

Sorry that was to CRBear

Gosh I hadn't thought about half this stuff
But now glad o got me and my girls Irish passports as at least I will be able to go on holiday... have both British and Irish now...

fabulous - why will having a non Uk passport make any difference for holidays? I have a Belgian passport but it won’t help me if there aren’t any flights from/to the Uk.

A technical notice regarding aviation has been prepared by the government but not yet released. Rumour has it it's so dire they're holding it back, probably hoping they can bury it on a big news day (maybe the Royals will do something exciting).

However, it's highly unlikely airlines or tour operators will offer compensation - all have extraordinary circumstances or "force majeure" clauses buried in their T&Cs.

Flights to outside the EU will also be affected - eg flights to the US and Canada are covered by the EU Open Skies Treaty.

I think there will be a lot of last-minute desperate begging on the UK's part to cherry-pick access to EU aviation agreements.

Does anyone know what will happen with the planes crossing over UK air space, eg between Europe and the USA?

Does anyone know what will happen with the planes crossing over UK air space, eg between Europe and the USA?

Air travel between the EU & USA will be completely unaffected by Brexit.

The U.K. is currently covered by the Open Skies agreement between the U.K. & USA. After Brexit, a new agreement will be required. What form such an agreement will take, and how long it will take for it to be negotiated and implemented remains to be seen.

In the interim, it is likely that some sort of temporary agreement based on current rules will be put in place from 30 March 19, but we don’t know that for certain because the useless, incompetent politicians haven’t agreed it yet.

A technical notice regarding aviation has been prepared by the government but not yet released. Rumour has it it's so dire they're holding it back, probably hoping they can bury it on a big news day

We don’t need a ‘technical notice’ to tell us how disastrous a ‘no deal’ scenario would be. We know that already. We need the politicians to negotiate a sensible, pragmatic deal which allows us to continue with business as usual, so people can keep travelling as normal.

It’s interesting to see from some previous posts on this thread that a few people seem regard this as a big joke. I can assure them that nobody in the aviation industry finds this situation at all funny.

And that is shit. Families having no clue they could lose their flights,those that need to get the cheaper flights which are sold earlier can't.

I know this isn't about visas but thank you for making me realise that I am going to have to renew my DC's now expired UK passports if we want to visit the UK. We have Swiss citizenship too and we've taken to just renewing the Swiss IDs (as it's cheaper and we are in Switzerland more often than the UK - we live in Germany) but I guess if there's a no deal Brexit we'd possibly need a visa to enter the UK on the Swiss IDs (and might in fact need valid Swiss passports - the kids only have IDs just now). Bugger! Sorry, I know it's not even in the top 100 of problems, but I don't look forward to interacting with British bureaucracy right now...

The lack of info and advice is just appalling. Fine I get it's a mess but they need to own it,do what they're paid to do i.e. lead and give out some advice and information. I'm sure the majority would rather know the complete situation and plan accordingly than play Chinese Whispers.

When will the politicians say enough is enough and can this bloody mess. David Cameron should be hanging his head in shame for what he has done. Someone needs to be brave enough to say this is all a disaster and the referendum needs to either be taken as the advisory poll it was or do another one.

My baby is due in March 2019 and I worry about what he or she will be born into. Also slightly concerned that I won’t be able to get formula as I struggled to breastfeed last time so will be stockpiling from the new year. These are not the worries someone should be having in a rich, developed country. We are spectacularly shooting ourselves in the foot and I have yet to see any actual benefit. But it’s all fine because we’ll get to have blue passports. Yay!

I have got a hotel booked for next year's holiday but not sure when to book flights. I know it's not properly Important but actually it is a major source of happiness for my family and I do think the Gov. should cover the travel insurance/Brexit cancellation stuff. They got us into this mess!!!

We have booked flights and hotels for next year effortlessly and with confidence, if you really think all flights going to Europe will be grounded (I for one do not believe this for a millisecond, it is ludicrous) then book to go to a non eu country.

Seriously I think you are being very melodramatic. If you are that bothered drive to europe, I am sure the channel tunnel will not be closed!

I find these threads really very silly.

@topcat2014. I work in Insurance.

And as an aside, even if open skies is sorted, the planes cannot fly without insurance.

I'm sure the majority would rather know the complete situation and plan accordingly than play Chinese Whispers.

To be fair they've made it quite clear that there's isn't a plan. They aren't not sharing it; they haven't got one yet. They could issue awful advice if they do it now and it all changes.

If the only way that this will affect you is flights; you've got it pretty good. We need to diet the urgent issues like medications and food before flights.

then book to go to a non eu country.

That wouldn't help! It also shows that you haven't understood the problem.

And that is shit. Families having no clue they could lose their flights,those that need to get the cheaper flights which are sold earlier can't.

It's not great but frankly, I have little sympathy when so many families (mine included) are still waiting to find out about issues such as whether our jobs are still available and whether we can stay together as a family. (I live in the EU - my contract states that I am an EU citizen with FOM. Will I have to reapply as a non-EU citizen? Will I be able to stay exactly as I am or will I have to buy private health insurance? It has already cost me 1000s of euros and looks like it will cost more, to say nothing of living with two years of uncertainty all due to the result of a poorly-thought out referendum that I was not allowed to vote in. So flights are not top priority!)

Then Anchor they should suggest caution before anybody books anything,point out that there is a risk of losing flights without compensation.

deepsea I'm not sure you understabd the point being made

It seems unfathomable we could be lead by such incompetent idiots. They have no clue about anything do they?

And the fact that there is a shed load of other shit on the cards is not a reason not to warn consumers.

Just book for 50 years time OP, and stop your remoaning.

Ironically new laws means you have greater protection for all of your holiday if part of your none package holiday is cancelled but only if you are an in a EU member of state.

Deepsea think I'm going to go with the concerns voiced by those who work and have knowledge of the travel industry rather than your disbelief.

Yes I could book flights effortlessly. Whether they'll actually take off and I'll get compensation if they don't is a whole other issue. I for one can't afford to take that financial hit.

So the govt should warn consumers that because of Brexit no one knows what the fuck is going to happen after March?
Surely everyone knows this, indeed, 17 million people deliberately voted for this.