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Trump has a Pecker problem and there is a blue pill to make it grow bigger - midterms! Trump threads contd.

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ohmymimi · 24/08/2018 21:10

Titled with Across in mind Wink

May all the Oaf's problems be big ones, and the events of this week at least be the beginning of the beginning of the end.

Old thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3337261-Theres-a-pony-in-there-somewhere-Trump-cont?pg=39&order=

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TheClaws · 03/09/2018 01:28

That Vanity Fair piece is interesting. It does bear remembering that McCain was a Republican. I know that’s obvious but he was right-wing and any replacement has particularly large shoes to fill. They will likely be a GOP-creature for some time to come.

lionheart · 03/09/2018 01:40

www.citizensforethics.org/pardonpower/

lionheart · 03/09/2018 02:35
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ohmymimi · 03/09/2018 10:08

'It’s Not Just Robert Mueller. President Donald Trump Faces Six Separate Investigations And Lawsuits.
Prosecutors are digging into the president’s business from which he refused to divest.'
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/donald-trump-investigations_us_5b85861de4b0511db3d229d7

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ohmymimi · 03/09/2018 10:11

I do love a good chart, lion, I think that HuffPo piece would have benefited from someSmile

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ohmymimi · 03/09/2018 10:30

@FoxNews is there something shameful about hard work
Jim Acosta
@Acosta
My dad worked in grocery stores for 40 years. I don’t understand @FoxNews is there something shameful about hard work? I’m proud of my dad.
@FoxNews
'Cosby Show' actor Geoffrey Owens spotted bagging groceries at NJ Trader Joe's (link: www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/08/31/cosby-show-actor-geoffrey-owens-spotted-bagging-groceries-at-nj-trader-joes.html) foxnews.com/entertainment/…
mobile.twitter.com/Acosta/status/1036416959582281729

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Lweji · 03/09/2018 11:19

Loving those NYT charts. Something tells me they'll get more complicated.

ohmymimi · 03/09/2018 12:30

David Hogg Helps Raise Thousands To Display Trump's Anti-Ted Cruz Tweets On Billboard
EDITION
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The Huffington Post
NEWS
POLITICS
'David Hogg Helps Raise Thousands To Display Trump's Anti-Ted Cruz Tweets On Billboard.
Trump's digs against "Lyin' Ted" could haunt the president as he campaigns for Texas senator.'

'Hogg joked on Twitter that there was such a feast of insulting tweets about Cruz by Trump that it was difficult to make a selection. “Thank you POTUS,” Hogg quipped.'
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/david-hogg-billboard-display-of-anti-cruz-trump-tweet_us_5b8c6715e4b0511db3d9f8d6

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ohmymimi · 03/09/2018 13:07

'Midterm risk for GOP as inflation erodes meager pay increases.
Majority of Americans believe their finances haven’t improved.'
www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2018-08-28/trump-s-promises-to-forgotten-man-undercut-by-wage-stagnation?__twitter_impression=true

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 03/09/2018 13:30

No charts but lots of percentages Smile

How big is the GOP’s Trump-can-shoot-a-guy-on-Fifth-Avenue caucus?
Matthew Miller's reaction to the new Washington Post-ABC News poll Friday caught my eye. The poll showed just 18 percent of Americans believed President Trump should pardon Paul Manafort.
"This is the 'shoot someone on 5th Avenue' caucus, and it's much lower than Trump would have you believe," the former Obama-era Justice Department official tweeted.

That reference, of course, is to Trump's famous 2016 campaign claim that his supporters would stick by him even if he pulled out a gun and shot someone on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan. The implication was that Trump could do pretty much whatever he wants and his devotees wouldn't blink. It doubles as an ego trip for Trump and a handy way for journalists and pundits to describe how Trump skates past controversies, no matter how jaw-dropping they are, because his base shrugs. (Rudy Giuliani rekindled it somewhat in a different context.)


Which got me thinking: How big is the "shoot someone on Fifth Avenue" caucus in America?


The answer I arrived at as anywhere from 1 in 8 to 1 in 5 Americans -- between 12 and 20 percent, around where Miller pegged it. These are the people who seem prepared to justify and/or forgive pretty much anything Trump has done or even has threatened to do. It represents half or less of Trump supporters.


Here's how I arrived at that number.
The Post-ABC poll shows 53 percent of American adults strongly disapprove of Trump, while 24 percent strongly approve. Those numbers are slightly worse for Trump than other recent polls, but it's usually somewhere around 2-to-1 strong-disapprove to strong-approve. Generally, about a quarter of Americans strongly approve of Trump.

It's notable that the opposition to Trump is more likely to feel that way "strongly" than his support. That suggests that, despite Trump's approval hanging tough around 40 percent for his entire presidency, a significant portion of that isn't completely thrilled with him. Those folks could feasibly at some point be convinced he's gone too far -- whether by shooting someone or for some other reason.
But that 24 percent also probably oversells the true Trump-or-die supporters. So I sought out other poll findings to see what portion of that 24 percent might be immovable (or something approximating it).
Here's a summary:
12 percent say it's "acceptable for a presidential campaign to obtain information on a political opponent from a hostile foreign power" (Quinnipiac University)
This probably undersells the Trump-or-die caucus, given Donald Trump Jr. maintains he didn't actually obtain useful information at the Trump Tower meeting with a Kremlin-tied lawyer. Republicans may also be okay with the meeting given many of them don't view Russia as "hostile."
26 percent say Trump should be able to shut down news outlets for "bad behavior" (Reuters)
This oversells the Trump-or-die caucus, given 20 percent of Democrats (!) back a president's ability to do this, and that proportion of Democrats most certainly doesn't back Trump. If you isolate just GOP-leaning voters who favor this approach, it's 16 percent of the total population. Of course, they might just be anti-First Amendment more than pro-Trump. (But still...)


12 percent say it's not a "big deal" if Russia interferes to help Republicans (Yahoo-SurveyMonkey)
This recent poll asked whether it was acceptable for Russia to try to help the GOP in elections, as the intelligence community says Russia did in 2016. Fully 40 percent of Republicans said it was either "appropriate" or "not appropriate, but wouldn't be a big deal" if Russia did that -- despite foreign involvement in U.S. elections being clearly illegal. Given Trump has said accepting info from Russians would simply be par-for-course in Americans politics, this seems like a telling number as far as how many Americans accept that defense.
22 percent say if Trump shot someone on Fifth Avenue, they would approve of his job performance (Democratic pollster Public Policy Polling)
Points for asking the question directly, I guess. But it's also a pretty ridiculous hypothetical that respondents probably recognize as such. There have to be some Trump supporters who just answer "yes" out of devotion to Trump, and given what he's said on the topic. Also, "approve" isn't quite the same as saying you would vote for a murderer/gunman.
15 percent say there is almost nothing Trump could do to lose their support (Public Religion Research Institute)
Credit to PRRI for the best way of asking this question. What Trump is really saying is that he could do pretty much anything and not lose his supporters, and this poll suggests 15 percent say that exemplifies them. Whether they'd actually follow through if Trump killed a guy? That's less certain, for the reasons described in the previous item.

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/02/how-many-republicans-would-actually-stick-by-trump-if-he-shot-guy-fifth-avenue/?utm_term=.4f9eb9a76bc5

Lweji · 03/09/2018 14:07

Could it be that the NK photo op didn't work as a solution for the NK nuclear problem?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/03/donald-trump-dangerous-kim-jong-un-president?CMP=fb_gu

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ohmymimi · 03/09/2018 14:48

From the New Yorker, Gargoyliani on Gargoyliani:
In all, he had a favorable estimation of his own performance. “I enjoy being a lawyer more than I do being a politician,” he told me. “As a politician, a lot of people are better than me. This is what I think I do best.
You have another think coming, clown.
And in the real world:
“He has totally sold out to Trump,” John S. Martin, a predecessor to Giuliani as U.S. Attorney who later became a federal judge, said. “He’s making arguments that don’t hold up. I always thought of Rudy as a good lawyer, and he’s not looking anything like a good lawyer today. "

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ohmymimi · 03/09/2018 15:00

'Scoop: Netanyahu asked U.S. to cut aid for Palestinian refugees'
www.axios.com/benjamin-netanyahu-israel-policy-unrwa-palestine-aid-5a92b1ed-babd-42d9-a933-6aec816da717.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic

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ohmymimi · 03/09/2018 15:03

Philip Rucker
@PhilipRucker
Important @GregJaffe & @melinamara story from a SC subdivision, one of many places where Trump’s handling of race & insults “are changing the way neighbors see each other, treat each other and talk about one of the most sensitive issues in American life.”

The ‘Trump Effect’: How a norm-scrambling presidency is changing the way one S.C. subdivision talks...
washingtonpost.com
mobile.twitter.com/PhilipRucker/status/1036597673539895298

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ohmymimi · 03/09/2018 15:05

The New York Times
@nytimes
A day after Donald Trump Jr. wrote a column blaming Democrats for Mollie Tibbetts's death, her father writes a rebuttal, "to call out the racists among us and ask people to aspire to higher American ideals."
Mollie Tibbetts, a college student from Iowa, whose body was found last month. An undocumented immigrant has been charged in her murder.
Mollie Tibbetts’s Father Asks That Her Death Not Be Exploited to Promote Racism
nytimes.com
mobile.twitter.com/nytimes/status/1036539571868258305

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ohmymimi · 03/09/2018 15:23

Bill Kristol
@BillKristol
What could Congressional Republicans do to show they take McCain's legacy seriously?
To start, they could 1) legalize DACA recipients, 2) protect Mueller, and 3) secure our elections. These bills exist. They could be passed this month.

Opinion | They Sat in Hypocrisy
nytimes.com
mobile.twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1036607404681703424

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cozietoesie · 03/09/2018 15:45

Ms Maddow has the floor. (From Friday, I 'think'.)

ohmymimi · 03/09/2018 15:48

That reminds me, cozie, Ms M's focus is all Kavanaugh tonight.

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ohmymimi · 03/09/2018 15:56

Jon Meacham speaking at the National Book Festival. Some funny anecdotes and observations, good historical context, home truths and pointers for positivity action. He is an engaging speaker.
'Have we ever had a Trump before?'

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 03/09/2018 17:08

The Republican Leadership Member Most Likely to Lose

Cathy McMorris Rodgers is the most powerful Republican woman in the country. But in “the year of the woman,” she’s in a fight for her political life.
www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/09/the-republican-leadership-member-most-likely-to-lose/569164/

cozietoesie · 03/09/2018 17:20

I enjoyed Meacham. Thanks, mimi. Smile