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Trump has a Pecker problem and there is a blue pill to make it grow bigger - midterms! Trump threads contd.

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ohmymimi · 24/08/2018 21:10

Titled with Across in mind Wink

May all the Oaf's problems be big ones, and the events of this week at least be the beginning of the beginning of the end.

Old thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3337261-Theres-a-pony-in-there-somewhere-Trump-cont?pg=39&order=

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PerkingFaintly · 02/09/2018 18:10

Sam Nunberg is upset? Dearie me.Grin News stations around the capital better alert their doormen there'll be a squawking pink-faced numpty trying to get into every studio in town this evening.

ohmymimi · 02/09/2018 18:13

It's the new normal, te gratias ago, filius caninis, McConnell
www.politico.com/story/2018/09/02/klobuchar-says-kavanaughs-confirmation-is-not-normal-806121

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ohmymimi · 02/09/2018 18:16

'GOP Senate Candidates Are Scrambling To Rewrite Their Record On Pre-Existing Conditions'
It's the same thing Donald Trump, Paul Ryan and the rest of the party tried last year.
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/republicans-lying-pre-existing-conditions_us_5b8964a2e4b0162f4722ab9d

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Gumpendorf · 02/09/2018 18:34

During her time in the United States, she surrounded herself not only with high-profile American conservatives but also with dubious characters who seemed bent on making a fast buck — and it was not always easy to tell one from the other.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/02/us/politics/maria-butina-russian-spy.html

Gumpendorf · 02/09/2018 18:41

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/09/01/us/politics/trump-officials-crimes-and-ethical-violations.html

A nice little summary of the Trump regimes clashes with the law...so far

cozietoesie · 02/09/2018 19:23

It's the way Obama 'tends' to talk. Smile

lionheart · 02/09/2018 19:58

Full sentences and all.

ohmymimi · 02/09/2018 20:17

With all the words in the right order, too. Epic.Shock

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lettuceWrap · 02/09/2018 20:31
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ohmymimi · 02/09/2018 20:40

A few reflections on this tweet, which contains a number of themes I have been thinking about a lot recently.

First, "Those who stand against Trump will move on to many different things when he's gone": Yes. We will. Those who stand against Trump come from left, right, and center. What unites them is anti-authoritarianism and democratic pre-politics, not a specific political program.
It is thus not merely probable, but actively desirable that the anti-Trump coalition will break up into its constituent pieces once the current crisis has passed. The country, after all, needs a vibrant democratic right, a vibrant democratic left, and vibrant democratic center.
It is not desirable to pretend that, say, @benwikler and @monacharenEPPC have more in common than they do. @DavidAFrench and I speak for very different political currents, and both are different from those that @Yascha_Mounk speaks for.
The #CoalitionOfAllDemocraticForces should not merely accept but actively aspire to a time when we can all go back to disagreeing on the most important issues of the day. This is a recurrent joke between me and @steve_vladeck. But it's also not a joke.
Second, there is one important thing that we should all try to retain from the current moment, however—and I think this is a critically important thing that I hope will survive the current struggle. That is a certain mutual respect and admiration born of common tectonic values.
I would hope that we would all retain in future disagreements a deep awareness that the people we are disagreeing with are people with whom we shared a foxhole when democratic government itself faced a threat.
I very much hope I will never be able to disagree—however intensely—with such people again without a keen understanding that on the most important values, we share a core. And I hope that will cause me to engage with them more respectfully than I might otherwise have done.
I hope it makes me more open to arguments I would otherwise dismiss. I hope it makes me more respectful in disagreement. I hope it creates the possibility of dialogue between people—and between movements—that have regarded one another as hopeless.
This brings me to the second half of @Kasparov63's tweet: "those who still support him should never be forgotten or forgiven." I don't mean to sound arch or moralistic. But yes. Speaking personally, I do judge. And my memory will be very long.
I will never forget the people who stared this moment in the face and made peace with it. I will never forget those who decided to tolerate it because of tax cuts, or judges, or to own the libs.
I will also never forget those on the left who hate the center and the democratic right so much that they prefer to make common cause with the Trumpists than with the impure. I will never forget those of all factions who, when it really mattered, stayed narrow and parochial.
I will never be able to engage these people in the future—no matter how much I might agree with them—without a deep awareness that they lack what to me are the most important democratic virtues and commitments. Frankly, I will always hold them in at least some contempt.
I will remember who put something else before the vitality and health of our democracy.
This is all, as the great @KoriSchake cheerfully puts it when she puts an idea on the table, "just one citizen's opinion." But there it is; that is mine.
mentions's tweet boils down for me to the W.S. Gilbert's immortal Lord High Executioner's line, "I've got a little list"; I've got two of them, to be precise.
That's all I got.
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1036241825500200961.html

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ohmymimi · 02/09/2018 20:46

Tweet Wittes speaks of above:
Garry Kasparov
@Kasparov63
Those who stand against Trump will move on to many different things when he's gone, but those who still support him should never be forgotten or forgiven.

I'm not talking about functionaries attempting to keep the government working despite Trump, but people of influence who know exactly what he is, and enable him for their own gain.

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woman11017 · 02/09/2018 20:51

Has this one been posted?
@shannonrwatts
BREAKING: Maria Butina, the Russian who infiltrated the @NRA and was arrested for being a covert agent, tried to secure a Russian jet fuel deal with the help of David Keene, former @NRA president, and his wife, Donna, a Washington lobbyist.
www.nytimes.com/2018/09/02/us/politics/maria-butina-russian-spy.html

cozietoesie · 02/09/2018 21:13

45 made a bad mistake in not having the flag lowered to half staff until pressured into it.

cozietoesie · 02/09/2018 21:23

Thanks for that, lion.

Any news on McCain's replacement yet?

TheNorthWestPawsage · 02/09/2018 21:37

No word on it yet cozie but Trump will no doubt be doing all he can to make sure it's not another McCain.

THE G.O.P.’S FIGHT TO REPLACE MCCAIN IS ALREADY GETTING UGLY
Arizona governor Doug Ducey must find an interim senator who satisfies moderates and placates deplorables, all while his own political future hangs in the balance.
www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/08/john-mccain-senate-replacement-arizona

cozietoesie · 02/09/2018 21:47

Thanks for the link to the VF piece. I guess that the rubber meets the road this evening?

lionheart · 02/09/2018 22:23

Tracking Trumpies.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/?ex_cid=story-twitter

cozietoesie · 02/09/2018 22:27

Slightly surprising, lion.

lionheart · 02/09/2018 22:33

The categories and figures have me slightly bamboozled. Blush

lionheart · 03/09/2018 01:02

What a headline ...

www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/08/america-democracy-year-germany-wunderbar-together/

'70 Years Ago, America Restored Democracy to Germany. Now Germany Wants to Return the Favor.'