To think some posters are naive about SS?

[fudgeraisinbiscuit]

I see many posts where people seem to believe either that SS will offer support and that parents who are loving and coping but struggling can contact them for a hand-hold, or posts where people believe a not ideal yet normal situation can and should be reported.

AIBU to think posters are naive about what SS actually do?

It’s a conference (I thought it was unicef but it’s not) a German lady is campaigning against the amount of children that are taken in to care.

The panel comment they are already aware it of.

No one is forcing you to watch it ffs

U.K. children **

It’s a conference

Well I got that but you surely understand that "a German lady" and "a panel" at "a conference" has utterly no credibility?

If people want social workers to be less heavy handed they need to not hang them out to dry when a child death occurs. The only manager who stood up for her staff and asked for fair process to be followed following one was sacked on tv pretty much.
It didn't help that the response to one child death was a massive tick box approach to CP. Government pushed that into legislation.
Following another major CP death we got a much more nuanced approach with responsibility put further up the chain, that wasn't pushed into legislation with the same vigor.
If they want properly funded services with money to spend on family support they need to make that clear to political parties and probably pay more taxes.

@auntethel it depends on the sector, but in many areas of social work, social workers aren't there to pop in for a chat and cup of tea any more. That role goes to family support workers or other professionals who the councils can get away with paying less. The role of a SW has increasingly become to only work with families at the extreme end of the scale, where you're unlikely to be offered a brew. And the role is more about coordinating other professionals, getting the views of those professionals and writing reports/assessments using that information, than it is about directly supporting families, sadly.

Social workers are relatively expensive when it comes to council wage budgets. Anything that can be done by a non-social work qualified staff member a social worker has to fight to get to do. Or we do it on the sly!

The video is Sabine Mcneal who has been fighting this for years. Thanks for showing that Optimum. Sabine has been waiting for 10 years for people to wake up and for someone to do something. Looking at this thread it seems that people are waking up at last. This is brilliant OP, thankyou.

Tess fucking watch it instead of giving me shit over a video your refusing to watch or don’t watch it and don’t comment on it

Like I said The original post has been taken down which had more info on.

Thought I was going mad then ethel ! The original post had much more information on. I wonder why it’s been taken down?

I do believe sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction but some folk are just so unable to even consider their may be an element of truth to anything other than what we are conditioned to believe.

@Tessliketrees there are no adoption targets. Whole groups of children are ruled out of adoption altogether. Adoption is a last resort when the parents and family members have been ruled out. Sw alone cannot decide to place a child for adoption it is the decision of the head of Service and a judge. Both frequently refuse adoption.

Children cannot be in the court system for more than 26 weeks. There is no device to 'rush' an adoption. This is public law outline

tldr, the links you gave are run by Spero. She is a family court lawyer in the South West. Last year she stated on MN that now the focus is on removal rather than support. A month ago she came onto another thread because she received notification of her name being used. She explained further about the focus being on removal rather than support so hopefully she'll do that again on this thread.

Wow, I have just read about Sabine McNeill.

Speechless. I am very glad I didn't waste time watching that video, the woman sounds fucking unhinged.

Queenofthedrivensnow

there are no adoption targets

www.communitycare.co.uk/2016/11/18/councils-setting-numerical-targets-adoption/

There is no device to 'rush' an adoption

Judges have been critical of social services for attempting to rush adoptions is what I said.

You need to @ to get a notification auntethel

Tess, Sabine has many cases with documented evidence. Why are you so afraid of that?

@Tessliketrees it doesn't say if the targets are about finding adoptive placements for children already subject to placement orders but it reads that way. Of course the family finding sw would have targets.

Wow so have I!! Looks like she is tirelessly shouting about stuff people like to pretend doesn’t happen

I’m glad you didn’t waste time too, instead you were furiously tapping away on google

Also numbers of adopters coming forward are dropping right now. I assume due to better ivf

@auntethel the current government ideology is on keeping children at home. Not for any higher moral purpose, rather it's a) cheaper and b) less state involvement which is tory philosophy.

Sadly they also push vulnerable families over the edge with austerity policies that impact on families in multiple ways and reduce the amount of preventative low level support at the same time, while vilifying social workers if children are hurt, meaning that there are more cases than ever reaching the courts.

@optimusprimemother, as someone working in the profession I'm under no illusions that there will be career mad politicians coming up with controversial ideas to get noticed. Doesn't mean it translates to front line workers. We've got our own code of ethics to go on. You may as well compare what jeremy hunt did to the NHS and tar nurses with having the same agenda.

Oh yeh. An adoption costs the LA £38k per child.

@auntethel

I am not linking anything to do with her because of the horrifying things she has said and done that directly place children at risk and the fact some of the material is still online despite court orders.

I honestly don't want to talk about this or her, what I have just read has made me feel ill.

@Queenofthedrivensnow

Indeed, I don't have a dog in this fight. I just believe in clarity. On one hand you have things like the lady in the video above (who is utterly batshit and dangerous) and on the other you have people claiming that social services do no wrong.

The second group seem more common on MN.

Tess get a grip

Tess, when people first find out the truth, they usually do feel ill. Denial, shock, feeling ill, all part of the process. It's coming out now, more and more are finding out. In Portugal the UK is known as the child stealing nation.

You two know she was jailed right? And why?

The second group seem more common on MN. Only for now, there's been a definite increase on this thread today. The tide is turning.