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To report someone I know is driving with no license?

101 replies

Smashcam · 15/08/2018 14:34

NC as possibly outing and going to try and keep details to a minimum for same reason.

I work with someone who is epileptic so has to renew their license every 12 months, the job we do involves driving big vans. He never told us he was epileptic when he joined we have only just found out due to him having no license atm (long story but basically he was boasting to another employee who told the boss) Boss is very cross and obviously not letting him drive the vans but the person leaves in a fortnight so we are happy to leave it there wrt work. The person also works in a bar at weekends.

Work found this out on Friday and today is my first day back in (been ill) so I have only found out today. He has driven his car to and from work everyday since Friday (and before) and his license actually ran out mid July. He says he has a GP appointment in September to have a medical to get his license back but I have absolutely no idea what this involves/how long it takes between seeing GP and having license back.

The person also often drinks after work (2or3 pints) and then drives home. Having recently had a car written off by an unlicensed uninsured driver and losing just over £2000 from the whole thing, this has touched a nerve with me and I don't think they should be driving. I also don't like the person very much so this could be clouding my judgement.

So WIBU to report them for driving with no license or should I just let it go because he can drive and did have a license he just seems to be being lax about getting it renewed.

OP posts:
Weepingangels · 18/08/2018 10:19

Not my circus is ludicrous since it could be anyone on this threads circus if a drinking dangerous driver hits them or someone they care for!

There are so many who drink and drive and people stand passively by until they hurt themselves and or someone else. Then they react.

MismatchedStripySocks · 18/08/2018 10:20

Absolutely do it. However, I reported someone who was banned after drink driving and I saw them driving. Absolutely nothing was done! So don’t expect much to come from it.

Weepingangels · 18/08/2018 10:21

Agreeing that the employer has fucked up here. Is he driving the next 2 weeks? Either your employer is negligent in not reporting or this man is allowed to drive and your employer has spread malicious gossip.

meadowmeow · 18/08/2018 10:24

That could just mean that the boss has decided not to renew his contract though. While not officially being fired it is pretty much the same thing

Or you could just acknowledge that you were wrong Hmm

BubblesThaDragoon · 18/08/2018 10:26

I have epilepsy, this person is selfish and putting other people at risk! Not to mention drink driving! I don’t drive because my worst fear is having a seizure at the wheel and injuring/killing someone else.

Dungeondragon15 · 18/08/2018 10:28

Either your employer is negligent in not reporting or this man is allowed to drive and your employer has spread malicious gossip.

He probably is allowed to drive but the boss just doesn't want him driving his vans. The drink driving could be malicious gossip as well. OP hasn't said that she has been with him when he has drunk two or three pints after working at the bar so how would she know?

Dungeondragon15 · 18/08/2018 10:33

BubblesThaDragoon He may not have had a seizure for many years though. Perhaps not since childhood. If the DVLA and doctors think that it is safe for him to drive then who are others to decide differently? A friend of mine hasn't had a seizure for over 30 years and while her license has to be renewed I think she is probably a lot safer on the road than many people. Doctors and hospital consultants have certified that she is fit to drive which is more than can be said for most of the general public.

Dungeondragon15 · 18/08/2018 10:40

Or you could just acknowledge that you were wrong hmm

Wrong about what?!!!! I said I feel sorry for him if he has been sacked by which I meant if he has lost his job.

MumW · 18/08/2018 10:45

Should I shop ANYONE that is known to drink & drive? YES
Should I shop ANYONE that is known to be driving without a valid licence? YES

You don't really need the epilepsy to decide YES although that definitely compounds the issue.

It's a horrible position to be in but you must report.

I also think that your boss is wrong not to have reported, he has taken the cowards way out. I feel that not reporting this or not taking any disciplinary action probably leaves your boss in sticky situation if it ever came out. I suspect it could have a detrimental effect on his business.

meadowmeow · 18/08/2018 10:49

Wrong about what?!!!! I said I feel sorry for him if he has been sacked by which I meant if he has lost his job.

Yep, along with the snide comment about how people should check their facts first. I just pointed out that you should also have checked your facts as OP has already said he was leaving anyway.

Then you tried to dress it up as not getting kept on which is the same as being sacked blah blah blah

What actually happened was you made a comment about fact checking whilst completely missing the facts yourself. You then tried to cover it up rather than realise your error.

Dungeondragon15 · 18/08/2018 11:08

Yep, along with the snide comment about how people should check their facts first. I just pointed out that you should also have checked your facts as OP has already said he was leaving anyway.

All I said was that I feel sorry for someone if a particular thing has happened. I didn't say that it had happened as OP hasn't supplied enough detail to know one way or the other. When OP said that he was leaving anyway it may just have meant that it was the end of his contract. We don't know whether or not it would have been renewed under normal circumstance.
Regardless, fact checking is hardly as important when stating that I feel sorry for someone if a certain circumstance compared with reporting someone to the DVLA.

Dungeondragon15 · 18/08/2018 11:12

Should I shop ANYONE that is known to drink & drive? YES

OP doesn't seem to know that though in that there is no suggestion that she has been with him in that circumstance. Pretty pointless reporting on a rumour. There needs to be evidence.

Should I shop ANYONE that is known to be driving without a valid licence? YES

It isn't known at all though.

meadowmeow · 18/08/2018 11:16

dungeon

Throughout this thread you sound really stupid. Aside from the fact checking situation, all you seem to be doing is making excuses and trying to find possible me reasons not to report this.

Uncreative · 18/08/2018 11:20

Report him. It will be investigated. If he has done nothing wrong, no action will be taken out there is no need to feel bad. If he has done something wrong, you have potentially save his life or those of others.

Dungeondragon15 · 18/08/2018 11:29

Aside from the fact checking situation

Reasons for you not to report. I didn't realise you were op! have you changed your username?

all you seem to be doing is making excuses and trying to find possible me reasons not to report this.Throughout this thread you sound really stupid.

You are the stupid one if you think that suggesting you check your facts about whether someone is allowed to drive while the DVLA are renewing their license is "making excuses".

Dungeondragon15 · 18/08/2018 11:33

When I say "check your facts", I mean read this leaflet and consider the fact that the DVLA must know about his medical condition or he wouldn't have a license that has to be renewed in the first place. Unless you know he has had a seizure in the last year then section 88 will apply.

*assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/695575/inf188x6-can-i-drive-while-my-application-is-with-dvla.pdfI

2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney · 18/08/2018 11:36

I am glad Dungeondragon15 has replied on this thread with the correct information. If you have continued repeat licence renewals, each time it expires you get a letter from the DVLA which as the letter says is your licence until you get the new one providing there has been no change in your condition eg for epilepsy no seizure . You don’t possess the plastic licence but you do have a letter instead. So this person will be waiting for the assessment and will eventually get the plastic card licence. Sometimes when I was going through this I had to nearly a whole year to wait due to DVLA delays and then had to go through the whole process again. And again and again .
Your boss needs to see the DVLA letter and should ask for it.

The drink driving is a completely different matter and I would certainly remove keys Etc if with them. You can’t report long time afterwards for drink driving as the person needs to be breatherlysed near the time of drinking to measure the alcohol.

Dungeondragon15 · 18/08/2018 11:41

Sometimes when I was going through this I had to nearly a whole year to wait due to DVLA delays and then had to go through the whole process again. And again and again.

Yes, there have been huge delays recently.

Oblomov18 · 18/08/2018 12:05

Op's post is dealing with quite a few completely separate issues.
1)The drink driving.
2)The driving without insurance.
3)With conditions like epilepsy or diabetes, the DVLA normally requests a review and the form to be filled out, by someone experienced, ie his consultant, on an annual basis or 3 yearly.

Dungeondragon15 · 18/08/2018 12:14

OP is only assuming that he is driving without insurance because she assumes that his plastic license has expired though. If he can continue to drive under section 88 then the insurance is valid.
Agree that the drink driving is a separate issue but it doesn't seem that OP has any evidence of that unless she was with him when he was drinking and then driving in which case she should have reported at the time. It's a bit late now.

meadowmeow · 18/08/2018 12:22

Reasons for you not to report. I didn't realise you were op! have you changed your username?

Sorry that was a random me. I'm not the OP. I just meant reeasons not to report

'Possible me reasons' = 'possible reasons'

RedneckStumpy · 18/08/2018 14:33

I am British living in the US.

Rules are similar, but there is a different outlook on life. People leave each other alone.

My general outlook is that if there is no victim, then no crime has been committed. (“Society” and the government can never be victims)

iwunderwhy · 18/08/2018 15:03

Not sure quite why people are on this website making up fiction about how yanks don't call the Police on others in the US. What rubbish! That's how police work gets done everywhere in the world from the days of Sherlock.... Its called civic duty and we see the results to society when people take this mindset of mind your own business. Its prison culture gone mass! Obviously the answer is YES to calling them about drunk driving....in a NY minute!!

twoshedsjackson · 18/08/2018 15:15

In slightly different circumstances (child protection) the legal term is "Charged With Knowledge" - in other words, if you have reasonable suspicion, you are at fault if you do not pass this on to someone in a position to make a proper check.
If your worry is unfounded - so much the better, no harm done. If you were right, you have done your civic duty and saved this driver from himself, and others from the consequences of his actions.

Dungeondragon15 · 18/08/2018 15:51

If your worry is unfounded - so much the better, no harm done. If you were right, you have done your civic duty and saved this driver from himself, and others from the consequences of his actions.

That's true if it is a genuine concern but considering that I and some other posters have pointed out that during license renewal people with medical conditions are allowed to continuing driving as long as they meet the conditions under section 88, then why would it be "civic duty" to report to the DVLA? There is no reason to think he is doing anything wrong unless OP knows that he has had a seizure in the last year. I'm pretty sure that the DVLA would do nothing other than check he is the system but even that is a waste if their time. Personally I would prefer it if the DVLA spend time (and therefore tax payers money) catching people haven't declared their medical conditions rather than people who clearly have.
Yes, OP should report him for drink driving if she is with him during that time and the police have the opportunity to breathalyse him. There is zero point in doing it after long after the event because someone has told OP that he drinks and then drives.

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